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Why do you think Dan Aykroyd didn’t have the same late career success as Bill Murray?


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I mean Aykroyd is a very talented comedic and dramatic actor and also a great screenwriter. They both dominated the 80’s with their comedies and made a ton of great movies, but Bill Murray was able to transition to more adult dramatic roles. He was able to find a bunch of good roles that were about mid-life and getting old and he was able to use his comedic and dramatic acting talents to make some great movies and put in some great award winning performances.

Why don’t you think Aykroyd was able to make this transition? He’s equally talented and a great screenwriter.


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Ever see Driving Miss Daisy?

Admittedly, that's just one....

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Yeah but just FYI, the TC's talking about after the Ghostbusters movies. Driving Miss Daisy actually came out the same year as Ghostbusters 2.

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I think Bill Murray's off screen persona has helped keep him a beloved public figure and kept people interested in seeing him in movies.

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Being a smug, egotistical, holier-than-thou asshole helped Murray stay relevant? Interesting.

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While many people, including Harold Ramis, would have agreed with that description of Bill for a large portion of his career, he seems to be in a much better state of mind the last 10-15 years.

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I suppose that’s true. He definitely had a solid few decades of assholery under his belt.

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Take a look at most of social media. What you're describing seems to be endearing qualities to people. Things they may not admit to your face they'll play up (in spades) once behind a keyboard.

I don't like to say it but it seems that most people are cruel and self-centered when they can let their really let their hair down without fear of immediate retribution.

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I think that people like to see Bill Murray as their favorite, eccentric uncle. You don't get a chance to see him that often, but you get a kick out of him whenever he decides to show up. At least that's the vibe that I get from his TV appearances like on the David Letterman show or his appearances at the Chicago Cubs ballgames.

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I went back and looked at some of the comments in those links that I provided. Somebody in there argued that at the end of the day, Bill Murray was simply a better overall actor than Dan Aykroyd. Murray was much more adapt with expressing tenderness, empathy and romanticism.

Dan Aykroyd meanwhile, is who you would first call when you want an actor who can play a precise, fast-talking, prim-and-proper gruff "square". Perhaps his greatest gift as an actor is to memorize huge lists of complex technical jargon, facts and random trivia. Somebody else wrote that Aykroyd's performances simply didn't click with people as much as Murray's. To put things into a more proper perspective, Bill Murray's main schtick is that of a charming eccentric while Dan Aykroyd is a nutcase conspiracy theorist.

In many of his better known films, he was usually the support or the other talent were more prominent and did click with audiences (i.e. John Belushi, Eddie Murphy, Bill Murray, Chevy Chase, Tom Hanks, John Candy). Basically, his relatively few successes came when playing off another actor with more star power. With the possible exception of Dragnet, all of the films in which he was the clear cut lead, bombed. In effect, it's easy to argue that Dan Aykroyd at the end of the day, wasn't really a bankable star on his own.

While Aykroyd himself is a talented and funny guy, he may have benefited from being at the right place at the right time. And he needs to be around other people to help reel him in. When he was given much more creative control later on in his career, the results were disastrous (see Nothing But Trouble).

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Good points. Murray was also a leading man of sorts which helped. Ackroyd was always either the other guy or a character actor which he had a lot of success with.

When considering his peak comedy career I think Ackroyd was best when he was guided by a competent director who could keep him in focus and that he needed to be the other guy, leaving the heavy lifting to somebody else like the guys you listed, Chevy Chase, John Belushi, Bill Murray, Eddie Murphy, Tom Hanks, John Candy so Dan can go off and be that character actor.

When left to his own devices his decisions were not always great. Decisions born from coke hazed fever dreams or Dan just being an eccentric who has 1000s of ideas per minute popping up, but not all of those ideas can be great. I mean, who would start up a vodka company and have the bottle be a glass skull. Although I've heard his vodka's pretty nice, and his love for the supernatural helped create Ghostbusters..

You referenced "Nothing But Trouble", but also take a look at Caddyshack 2, which is absolutely awful.

Akroyd was left to his own devices for those two, and the results were not good. Especially when you compare his Caddyshack 2 character to CS 1 Murrays, who was filmed ad libbing talking to himself for the majority of his screen time barring longer scenes with Chevy Chase, and the priest.

Akroyd is a different comedy beast entirely and his comedy radar needs to be tuned in or dialed down by somebody else, either his co-star forcing him to play a straighter role or a strong director to hone his abilities. I don't think Bill Murray has ever missed the mark no matter who he works with, however, it is easier playing your screen self almost every time compared to Akroyd who's been swinging hard every time, sometimes coming up short trying to invent new funny characters and that's maybe why Akroyd has fared less well compared.

Creating multiple funny characters is probably the hardest job of all and you can only create so many before you start missing or pulling from the same well.

Chevy Chase, Bill Murray both created one character who they stuck with, and were loved by movie goers. Rather than the Ackroyd route of trying to create new characters every time, risking missing the mark. Luckily for Bill Murray his character was pretty close to who he was so it was authentic. Akroyd could have stuck with variations of Ray Stantz for the rest of his career, not risking a miss, yet he would've been bored to tears after a few movies.

Caddyshack 2 Akroyd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW3D9qzYYWE&ab_channel=Gogalack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5wkuZ7jxIQ&ab_channel=Gogalack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4HL6WSopuA

"Perhaps his greatest gift as an actor is to memorize huge lists of complex technical jargon, facts and random trivia."

The third clip shows exactly what you were saying. But Akroyd does that, and misses the mark completely with the character he created.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tL-B44keco&ab_channel=MyTalkShowHeroes
Added bonus: Here's Dan Akroyd & Chevy Chase promoting Nothing but Trouble on Arsenio. Great intro by Chevy and you can see the large difference between the two comedically on the spot.

"Working with Dan is like working with Rommel on peyote"

That line is so funny I can't believe it wasn't scripted.

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They aren't the same person and don't have the same career trajectory.
Are you married with two kid? I'm not. Does that mean I'm a Loser?
What the hell? Ack has been plenty successful. Does he have to compare to Murray?

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"very talented comedic and dramatic actor and also a great screenwriter." I agree, but I don't think Dan has the same charisma/screen presence. Also I think he is a business man and actually works to build his businesses rather than just being a figure head. His true interests may lie there.

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Yeah he was the driving force behind the "House of Blues" franchises.

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Dan Aykroyd when you get right down to it, has always been more of a character actor and "idea person" than a true blue movie star like Bill Murray if that makes sense.

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He also has his own vodka called "Crystal Head Vodka". The bottles are shaped as skulls.

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and filtered by diamonds! lol

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I meant to add this other point why I think that Bill Murray has enjoyed better success later in his career than Dan Aykroyd. Aykroyd at the end of the day, was really more of a writer first and foremost and an actor second. He often wrote the scripts for his own films with the intent on casting himself in leading roles. So it's within reason to believe and suspect that the studios stopped agreeing to fund his projects when it was determined that he could no longer draw at the box office.

I also suspect that Dan Aykroyd simply has other interests besides acting and being a movie star. He has pretty much fashioned himself as a renaissance man and entrepreneur. Dan Aykroyd apparently, has a net worth of $180-$200 million, so it isn't like he needs to work too much as an actor if he really doesn't have to. Plus, he's almost 70 years old so it wouldn't be that surprising for a man his age to be slowing down anyway.

https://wealthygorilla.com/dan-aykroyd-net-worth/

https://www.wealthygenius.com/dan-aykroyd-net-worth/

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He's extremely successful. I think he prefers behind the scene work over acting.

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This thread theorizes that Nothing But Trouble was the "beginning of the end" for Dan Aykroyd as a powerful creative force in Hollywood. It at the very least, killed his directing career before it got started. Nothing But Trouble is pretty much what would happen if you give Dan Aykroyd creative carte blanche and nobody (such as Ivan Reitman and Harold Ramis on Ghostsbusters) is around to keep his more crazy ideas in check.

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/movies-that-killed-careers.1078944/

Exit to Eden this thread argues, is what all but killed Dan Aykroyd as a box office draw. If not that, then Blues Brothers 2000 was the final nail in the coffin for him as a leading man.

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Nothing but Trouble, then Coneheads being the final nail in his comedy career as the driving force behind comedy projects.

Coneheads failed, most especially overseas where we didn't have SNL.

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I think he figured it was enough.
People get old and Hollywood isn't the fun place everyone thinks it is.
Aykroyd likes Chicago and the Blues and he gets to say he was a Ghostbuster. Most of these guys don't want to be Lawrence Olivier. It takes a special kind of ego to keep going to Hollywood parties and to keep trying to get an Oscar for playing the right kinds of roles. You can just see the contempt in Harrison Ford's face when they keep dragging him back to play Indiana Jones. Let these old actors go live on the range somewhere and play with their grandkids.

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Ackroyd kind of rode on the success of his SNL partners Belushi and Murray, and Murphy. Even before the success of Ghostbusters Aykroyd had a few bombs under his belt as he couldn't carry a movie, Doctor Detroit being a perfect example. and let's face it, how funny is Aykroyd in Ghostbusters? It really seems Bill Murray has the funniest lines, Aykroyd is along for the ride but he just doesn't have the presence of Murray or even Ramis. By the late 80's he was making bomb after bomb, I remember being in a video store and renting The Couch Trip, I think I got through 15 minutes before hitting stop on the VCR. Still, it's good to know that Dan Aykroyd has been successful enough to have a good life, he genuinely seems like a nice guy that survived a career downturn.

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If I were married to Donna Dixon and went to bed with her every night, then my life would probably be very good too! But seriously, Dan Aykroyd always struck me as a guy who didn't have a big ego. A lot of his bigger successes like you said, relied on his SNL partners. Therefore, other than a few exceptions like Doctor Detroit, there was rarely ever a full-fledged, "Dan Aykroyd movie" in which he was the sole draw. Don't forget Chevy Chase, who he did Spies Like Us with and Dragnet with Tom Hanks.

I suppose the problem with Aykroyd is that it's kind of hard to narrow down his on-screen personality when compared to Belushi, Murray, Murphy, and Chase. Like if you watch The Blues Brothers or Trading Places back to back with Ghostbusters or The Great Outdoors, you wouldn't think that he's the same guy. The closest that I can think of is that Aykroyd to borrow from the Nostalgia Critic upon seeing him in Pearl Harbor, is the master of exposition.

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He was brilliant in Grosse Pointe Blank 13 years later.

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