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Did Randolph intend to shoot Holland at the house?


One thing I'm still trying to figure out in this film is this: when Randolph arrives at Holland's house, he stoops down suspiciously at the end of the bed and is holding what looks like a gun (barely in camera range) and when he turns and goes "How bout we...get this party started", there's a clicking noise (right before he gets hit with the knife) that sounds like the cocking of a gun. (There's also a gun on the middle of the bed, shown during the bloody shots of Randolph, he possibly could've dropped it there, but if not wouldn't he have noticed?)

Most people seem to think he was completely tricked by Holland, but I always thought that he was planning to kill them just in case they weren't tourists after all. What do you guys think? Another possibility is that the "gun" I saw and heard was some kind of drink flask to "get the party started".

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Hi monsieurbibo54

I never thought of this angle until just now from your post. At first, I thought that Holland had Randolph completely conned, yet I believe that Randolph, along with the Doctor, spotted Holland and Teresa Saldana at the cockfight--beforehand. I didn't see any hint of Randolph with a weapon, but I'll take another look at it.

Thanks.

Back again. I just got done viewing the film clip that you mentioned about Randolph and Holland in the bedroom. I believe you're right. It looked like Randolph pulled something from his waist band before he turned around. I also think I saw what looked like a small handgun lying on the bed just after Randolph was struck with Holland's knife.

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It could've been a goof perhaps, that Randolph just didn't remember them. Though I think he was convinced they were legit after the fake cripple checked them out. I was also thinking that maybe there was some kind of goof where they were gonna have Randolph pull a gun, but didn't have any other scenes that proved that conclusively. It's hard to say.

I just watched this movie for the 2nd time last week (first saw it a year ago) and that's what got me thinking about it.

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HHi monsieurbibo54,

Got it.

Thanks.

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Yeah I was confused also. My guess is that he was going to kill them if he could. I find it hard to believe that Randolph would buy that this "couple from Nebraska" would not only be able to handle a thug so easily but also be swingers. It looked to me like he was pulling out a gun.





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I'm almost certain that Randolph does pull out a gun, based on the position of his arms and the cocking sound. I think he was on to Holland. The dialogue between Holland and Randolph is one often all time favorite bad dialogue exchanges in movie history!

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To be fair, Randolph did seem to pull something out (possibly a gun?) And toss it on the bed. But I doubt he intended to shoot Bronson? imo, he was just loosening his stuff before getting into (what he asumed would be) a threesome. If anything, he is relinquishing his weapon (akin to loosening ones clothing) If he intended to shoot Bronson, he wouldn't have thrown the gun onto the bed in the first place?







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You're absolutely right. He was just getting undressed for the action. There's absolutely no doubt he was completely duped by Holland.

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