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Did I Miss Something... Why Is Europa Off-Limits?


Thank you for your answers.

People are their principles.

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Because the monolith aliens want new life to evolve there (which it does in Odyssey Three).

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Thank you; but would somebody know that without reading the books (like me)? I'm just wondering if I missed something from the movie.

People are their principles.

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I haven't actually read the books, though I know what happens in them. It's made clear in the film of 2010 what's going on though. The Leonov finds traces of chlorophyll on Europa and Floyd states "there's some kind of new life there, underneath all that ice." Then at the end of the film, we see Europa in the future where it has turned from a seemingly frozen, barren world into a lush humid place covered by plant life (because of the warming effect of Jupiter becoming a mini sun) and a monolith is standing there waiting for the first intelligent life there to find it, just like one did on Earth millions of years earlier.

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a monolith is standing there waiting for the first intelligent life there to find it, just like one did on Earth millions of years earlier

Nice post, but just a qualm - of course, the protohuman Moongazer and his group did not find the monolith. It appeared overnight in a familiar and previously unoccupied spot, and apparently disappeared some time later.

The monolith that was waiting for humans to find it was the one that had been buried on the moon.

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I guess this is 2001 quetion but did the monkeys find the monolith or did it suddebly appear. They did not appear to be migrating.

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I guess this is 2001 quetion but did the monkeys find the monolith or did it suddebly appear. They did not appear to be migrating.



You replied to the specific post that had just answered your question. Wow...






Now if that bastard so much as twitches, I'm gonna blow him right to Mars.

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In the case of Europa, the monolith is there from the start to watch over the evolution of life there & protect it from any human intrusion or interference. The intelligence behind the monolith clearly wants European life to have its chance to develop unimpeded or threatened by another (our) life form/

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Until they pulled the plug in 3001

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There is that ... but I prefer to end Clarke's 2001 at 2010; the subsequent books weren't anywhere near as good to me. And the novel 2010 does have that 20,001 epilog on Europa, which is far more satisfying … again, to me.

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I havent read the series in years. But what owlwise says sounds accurate to my recollection

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Thank you MuMu2525! That answered my question too!

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Are you kidding me? Did you miss the entire probe scene? It was one of the most obvious plot points of the film.

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whats that one called?

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The operators of the monolith are interstellar gardeners. They sow life on planets and nurture it. They don't want clueless idiots like us bumbling around and trampling all over their work.

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http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2015/02/nasa-budget-outline-europa-miss ion/

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Yes!!! I heard if we are going to colonize, Europa is the place to do it1 :)

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Sure, but its surface should be scoured with quite a sizable contingent of Twin Ion-Engine Fighters first before colonization could begin. Just have them bomb and strafe the surface, every inch of it! Whatever Life might be there won't be there for much longer. Then Europa will be ours!

Io, not so far from our new acquisition, offers immense mining opportunities, so I've heard.

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You don't wanna go mining on Io. They're all on drugs, y'know.

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Bad drugs, at that!

We'll requisition Io for the bad junkies to inhabit, while they mine there, waiting meanwhile for each supply shuttle to arrive for them every period. They'll enjoy the bad drugs there, and hallucinatory bugs in their space-suits, going out in a splash of explosive-decompression, and so much more, yeah, they'll love it alright! That sorta stuff is right up their alley, ya know hehehehehe

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Just to keep the junkies in line, I'd strongly recommend sending a grizzled cop to Io. The kind of cop who can win Oscars playing Irish cops with Scottish accents. The junkies won't know the difference (lord knows the Academy never did).

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https://youtu.be/H8WBk6nrYC0

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I don't believe it. Peter Hyams STOLE our idea. Oh well, forget about Io and anywhere around Jupiter. I have a better idea about a mission to Mars instead, but the twist is that it's a faked mission...

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Haha, that one's gonna be awesome! I can tell already! hehehehehe

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I believe it was mentioned in one of the books - that human biology and Europan biology are not compatible.

Someone did land on Europa, was swallowed by some creature from underneath the ice, which caused the creature to die. This is why the monoliths were keeping humans away

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They eat dogs and cats. They are soulless savages.

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I believe it was mentioned in one of the books - that human biology and Europan biology are not compatible.

Someone did land on Europa, was swallowed by some creature from underneath the ice, which caused the creature to die.
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Probably wasn't too good for the human either.

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Because Prime Directive.

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Because they said it is, I'm not sure anyone wants to mess with the monolith team.

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It was biblical allegory. Like a new Garden of Eden. Everything in the Garden is yours but don't eat of the Tree of Knowledge.

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I thought that the message imparted on HAL indicated that the monolith aliens wanted no human involvement on Europa? That everything else in our Solar System was there to be used upon Jupiter's conversion into a star. I honestly thought that the primary reason for the conversion of Jupiter was to let humans know that very powerful aliens were not that far away in case another lesson needed to be taught.

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was it aliens, or was it gods? are they exactly the same? aliens are small, living, mortal creatures with advanced tech, gods might be huge, omnious, spirit beings dabbling with the petri dish of our universe.

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For all we know aliens might BE advanced tech as originated by small, living mortal creatures. Or aliens might be huge or tiny, living in the atmosphere of Jovian worlds or spinning small silken palaces in vast hive-like groupings of seven legged spider-like critters. No current evidence of their existence can be produced that isn't either a work of the imagination or a bit of random data that could mean anything, but probably means nothing - tales of abduction, lights in the sky, misidentified Maya images...

Unless you are either a believer in magical stuff (either a theist, a metaphysical thinker or just overly fond of certain tropes found in Star Trek) there are no spirit beings, ominous or otherwise. If you believe in them it is through faith and not evidence.

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I don't think this movie shows any evidence in either way. Just showing the outcome of whatever they were doing.

Spinning and hive spiders were not in this movie. So we don't know.

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That's my point. There is no way to know what an alien being might be like. You can imagine any configuration or type, and while some might be more likely, the possibilities are endless.

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Because everything humans touch turns to shit.

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