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Why the threat of being blacklisted?


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"The UK actors who worked on the project were nearly blacklisted by the UN."

Why were they almost blacklisted?

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is it possible for the UN(United Nations) to blacklist people? What control do they have over film industry?

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Anyone can blacklist anything. Blacklisting something is not a law or ruling, just an agreement amoung a group to not deal with a person or group. If enough people agree not to work with or go to movies with the persons in this film, then their blacklisted. Easy as that.

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I should think that this is slightly erroneous... they were more likely blacklisted by Equity, the UK Actors' Union, who maintained a very effective boycott of South Africa during this time.

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A couple of my guesses:

This project was largely funded by the Apartheid Government (for more info see Dan Wylie's book "Savage Delight" and Carolyn Hamilton's book "Terrific Majesty") and it depicts the Zulu as a bunch of blood-hungry, war mongering, devestation-creating individuals, which is completely innaccurate and racist. There was even that quote that stated that the 'mfecane' (a word coined by a white guy in 1928, not any African from Natal) was a period of devastation unparalleled in Africa's history, which is a completely rediculous statement. I think Slave Trade, the 'Scramble for Africa', and colonialization rank somewhat higher on the devastation scale. This miniseries largely shows Africans as destroying themselves, almost like it is trying to justify the destruction the Europeans have caused.

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Do you understand how racist and ethnocentric that response is?

"The white man is long gone from governing Africa but killing, mass genocide and widespread corruption remain the norm. Where does that leave your theories??"

Just because the age of colonialism is over doesn't mean Africa isn't living in its consequences. If I go some place, kidnap a bunch of people, kill a bunch of people, force my way of life upon them, and leave, there is going to be a lasting impact. Things aren’t going to return to normal, why do you think that Europeans leaving Africa would have fixed everything they destroyed? Britain, France, Portugal, Belgium, Germany, and Italy might not currently be in control of Africa, but you still see the boundaries that they created up. For example, look at the Tutsi and Hutu- before the Belgians came in, the stratification between the two groups were flexible and conflicts between them weren't very severe; they were socioeconomic castes and not ethnicities. The Belgians played favoritism and broke them much further apart and turned them into distinct ethnicities via craniology, hair thicknesses, etc. - a bunch of pseudoscience BS. The early 1970s and 1994 genocides are results of that. In the Congo post-independence, the Belgians were largely responsible for Patrice Lumumba's murder (they have admitted to this) and the C.I.A. knew of the Belgian's plan and their role in his murder is unknown. Big business across the 'industrialized' world has continuously exploited African countries, post-independence. Just as European structures and institutions remain in Africa (you alluded to these), negative impacts remain.

"The white Europeans civilized Africa, built cities, gave them medicines, education, sanitation, farming, technologies they would never have dreamed of in a million years and Christianity via the missionairies."

It is ethnocentric to believe that everyone wants to live as white europeans. Sure, I may enjoy those technologies, but it is fairly clear that many Africans would have much preferred if Europeans never entered Africa. Besides, many technologies have created huge negative impacts. As far as education is concerned, there were Universities in Africa long before there were white men in the Americas. And what the hell does ‘civilized’ mean? Does being white make you civilized in your view? Do you have to use ‘western’ technology to be civilized? You have to be a Christian?

"Nobody knows what went on inside the African interior pre colonization because there was never a written record."

You think that just because there wasn't white people recording records in Africa, they don't have a history?! Get real! Even in white written history, there are records taken (although completely skewed by white adventurers) of chiefdoms, kingdoms, and states that have had little contact with Europe. There were many white guys (I’m guessing you ignore the writings of everyone who isn’t white) that traveled into Africa before colonialisation. Livingstone? Also looking at Ethiopia, there have been written records there for ages, long before Europeans even touched the land - look at the Fethra Negast and Kebra Negast.

Yes there was slavery in Africa prior to the Portuguese, but if you knew anything about African slavery you would know that the system of slavery was completely different and on a MUCH smaller level. People weren't relocated to different continents when there was internal slavery. It wasn't until the era of 'legitimate commerce' in the mid-late 19th century where slavery in Africa held similarities to slavery in the Americas and Europe (at least when slavery was still around in those areas).

"Most American slaves came out of the Congo/Angola and were sold by warring tribal chiefs to the white traders." So that justifies slavery for you? You do know that slaves went to other places than the Americas, right? Looking at the eastern coast of Southern Africa (where Kwazulu-Natal is, if you didn't know), there were trading ports at numerous places, but especially Delagoa Bay and Port Durban/Natal - if you look at the records, you'll find that slaver trading was very common here. Julian Cobbing and many others have done some remarkable research. If I were you, I'd look into some of Cobbing's articles in The Journal of African History.

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Very well said aharmonson!

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Thank you, thank you, thank you, Aharmonson.

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"Africans would have much preferred if Europeans never entered Africa"

Me too !!!

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Thank you for writing this, aharmonson. I agree with those above -- well said.

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Just wondering how you political correkt figures explain Zimbabwes bad economy. Show me how you can twist and turn it so it can be blamed on the white man.

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There was slavery in Africa before whites were there - during - now and after.

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There was slavery all over the world. And apparently there is still slavery in over 100 countries around the globe including America.



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What about the Arab/Muslim slave trade? At the wholesale level, most of the black Africans were bought and sold by Arab traders.


In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.

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I must say the amount of deleted postings in this thread makes me wonder what kind of censorship goes on here - compared to Google Video or Al Jazeera, for example.

I haven't watched the Shaka Zulu series since the 80's (I must do it again soon!). One of the things that fascinated me about it - and Henry Cele as Shaka is the perfect example for my point - was that it didn't portray Zulus as "civilized" and tame, undeserving victims. If I was a Zulu, it wouldn't lead me to vote for a bunch of white suprematists, but rather make me proud of the Zulu tradition of courage and toughness. The series portrays Shaka as a imaginative and charismatic hero who detoriates into a tyrant rather than a pure monster. Apart from everything else he does on screen, Henry Cele simply radiates pride and power. "The Most Savage Warrior of All Time!" (we in Europe were spared that tagline!) - yeah, so what?

"... bunch of blood-hungry, war mongering, devestation-creating individuals, which is completely innaccurate and racist."

Really? Take a look at Wikipedia (and its sources) and count the bodies. But as with all controversial heroes, it's a choice of who you (want to) believe more. All so-called "history" is a series of distorsions because the undisputed facts are so few (How many people really died in Iraq today?).

But this is about movies, i.e. condensed simplicity trying to create a sense of reality. I've since taken my first look at the '77 classic "Roots" and I couldn't stand more than 15 minutes of this sugar-coated melodram. On the other hand, I loved "Dances with Wolves" by Kevin Costner which was criticized for portraying the Native Americans as too tame - to a large part by Native Americans, allegedly.

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Slavery was going on in Africa thousands of years before any white man or European colonial power set foot on that clusterfvck of a continent. The British did not invent slavery, but they did invent its abolition.


In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.

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djehty and asg3327, you two are so sad it makes me laugh, i'm not even going to bother explaining myself to you cause you probably can't grasp simple concepts with ur shallow narrow pathetic minds. Seriously did either of you go to school?

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I will pay you 20.00 for a copy of this miniseries. My email is [email protected]

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There is some serious ignorance being portrayed by some posters here. Perhaps Macbeth is also racist as it portrays Scottish people in an unfavourable light?

It's a movie, a dramatization of some historical facts, I don't think it pretends to be school textbook history at any point.

If you actually look at the real history of Zululand at this time you will find there was some pretty egregious things going on, quite a few died. Shaka was corrupted by power, it's not a unique phenomenon or is it in any way ethnically specific to any group.

Everything will be OK in the end, if it aint OK,it aint the end.

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During the 1980s it was the peak of the global sanction against the Apartheid government in South Africa. It started in 1970s and the "Free Mandela" campaign really rose up during this period this series was made.

In retrospect it's amazing it was even made by the white government since it portrays reasons why Zulu people can be proud and identify with their own culture.

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that could be some politics in action. if memory serves me the apartheid government wished to strengthen the incatha freedom party over Mandella. This may have been a bit of propaganda to sway people to that party.
Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain (Isaac Asimov)

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South Africa started reforming in the 1970s She was always freer better governed and more democratic than most countries- especially in Africa. Apartheid was wrong but singling out South Africa was unjustified.


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