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Is cool man, but... still 80s


Like with anything 80s, realism was, of course, thrown out of the window. And the race politics, well you can say it ain't 2016 for sure.

I do enjoy the boat, chained alligator and the cool cars and clothes, but it's rather stupid that our two boys are pretending to be "just two dudes from Brooklyn trying to buy some magic powder" in one scene and at the later scene they drive the same Ferrari to crime scene (related to crime and people they are investigating!) and flashing their badges around. Or just going to the precinct. You would've thought the whole city would know who those 2 are, but apparently criminals in the 80s Miami are stupid and careless.

Also the one episode (episode 4 I think) that just introduced some random "buddies" of Crockett on the boat, and that one guy who bet some money on who will get most arrests during the month- him or Crockett? It was oh so obvious setup for what happened later that I wanted to cry and/or laugh at the poor stupid "redshirt" guy bragging about his crime fighting skills before leaving the precinct to go and catch bad guys.

The show also does the typical 80s winking at each other and audience a lot. Alligator is, of course, the most stupid plot device ever, but there is ton of little buddy "winks" between Crockett and Tubbs and also the episode where Crockett takes his ex-wife by hand and leaves the lawyers behind and then sleeps with his ex-wife after the divorce. Typical "macho dude" moments. I don't mind them much, but generally that is very 80s thing and nowadays you wouldn't see that as much.

What to say about race politics. People will argue that Tubbs is very important for the show, even if Crockett is the main star obviously. But still the "non-interracial" everything at least what I have seen from the first season, is still present. Tubbs flirts with a black policewoman, Crockett with the white one. Even in some friendly scenes they are usually paired with the person of their "appropriate" colour. But at least as with The Cosby Show, at least 80s America acknowledged that "father knows best" part of black America can co-exist in the same country with white dudes and dudettes, if they are separated from each other in family/sexual life.

Overall though I still like the show very much. But i wouldn't say it has some higher value than just a picture of the America of the 80s - culture, music, vibe. It doesn't really break much ground with characters and scripts, storytelling yes- it definitely "expanded" the look of TV to be more expensive and captivating, but same can be said about Dynasty and Dallas

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Just off the top of my head...

-Crockett and Gina (Calabrese - Cuban) through several seasons (until Crockett married).
-Tubbs and Calderone's daughter (in Season one)
-Gina and Irishman "Sean"...I forget his last name (Liam Neeson) in Season three

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Maybe, I was writing just after watching a few first episodes from season 1.

Still the whole "undercover" thing is rather silly in this show. The whole city should know who these two are by now, yet they are always successful at posing as "customers" for one or another thing at the same time driving to crime scenes and flashing badges in the same clothes and same expensive cars

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You're totally right about this. They should be getting spotted left and right. Miami is big, but it ain't THAT big...

I remember an episode when Tubbs actually does get spotted while undercover but the guy that spots him is in town from New York and recognizes him from his days back there.

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Aren't those "macho dude" moments refreshing?? I definitely think so. I get bored with all the tech geek cop shows today.

Cop shows do a much better job of reflecting reality today. That's great but for me, it gets kind of blah.

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Cop shows do a much better job of reflecting reality today. That's great but for me, it gets kind of blah.


Since when? You don't actually think that CSIs show up for work at crime scenes in high heels or that homicide detectives beat up and intimidate suspects and witnesses until they find the killer, do you?

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lol, was the OP around in the 80s?!

i can tell you growing up in the 80's Vice definitely was a different and groundbreaking show from everything else on tv.

and no tv shows today are no more 'real' than they were then.

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i can tell you growing up in the 80's Vice definitely was a different and groundbreaking show from everything else on tv.


*Very* different and that was a time when law enforcement people were going undercover, in the same area with the same cover story, for months or even years at a time. They don't do that now, to a large extent due to the risk and the psychological damage, as we see in the guy from the first episode after the pilot.

The show is a drama, so it is certainly heightened in some ways, but the situation is not actually that difficult to believe. The drug scene in the 80s, especially in a port like Miami, was highly transient. The "players" changed all the time (hence Crockett's "scorecard" comment in the pilot) and Miami Vice does a pretty good job of showing that. What is, in fact, so dangerous about their situation is that nobody really knows whom they're dealing with in any given deal and that most of these deals involve some kind of deadly ripoff (per "Milk Run").

Also, Tubbs and Crockett did get exposed more than once. They got lucky in that the people who found out generally (and conveniently) ended up dead, but their covers were hardly Teflon.

As for the racial politics the OP brings up, the show was groundbreaking at the time (still is, really) for having a cast that reflected the racial makeup of the city. You have white Southern boys in Crockett, Zwitek and Zito, sure, but that was normal for law enforcement at the time. Out of the seven regular cast, four were People of Color, and one of those was a lead. Plus, the two female cops got major storylines and the chance to go to bat for each other (*really* unheard-of at the time) far more than serving as love interests for the leads.

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Here's an idea Sammy..DONT WATCH IT! it's obvious that you probably watch the bachelor and the bachelorette . And I'm also gonna say that you believe all the crap you read in the magazines at the checkout counter.

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