Why do you hate hippies so much? I just saw Suburbia and I loved it. Doesn't it remind you of Easy Rider? It seems to me that hippies and punks are two sides of the same rebel coin. I never quite understood why punks harbored such a loathing for hippies. This movie confirms it. Seriously, do a double feature. Watch them both. You'll see what I mean.
shareIt's more of a generational thing than anything. punk happened a decade after hippies which were really just an extension of the beat movement. but anyway, the baby boom generation was so vast in the 60's that they just sort of took over everything in pop culture so punk was just a reaction to that. it had to happen. that is why people like robert plant and pete townshend understood it even though they themselves were part of 60's counterculture although the who in britain were Mod and never even rocker or hippie. but anyway, i think that was it. you rebel against the thing that came before you.
shareI personally (not being too much of a punk, but liking the music) think that the complete difference in music has a little something to do with it
shareI think hippies smoke doobs and punks get DRUNK!! And shoes, too. Birks for the hippies, Docs for the punks. That's it.
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Thank you Donny.
I think that the main difference besides style and music was the way they approached things. Hippies were passive protestors and punks are aggresive and think about it. If a hippie was just going around saying "peace mannn" then the punk would probably respond "*beep* peace. Anarchy" otherwise they are both part of the dodistic movement where everything is different musically and views.
shareThe thing that bothers me about 'punks' is that they scream anarchy but they all try to dress and look the same, and dislike anyone who isn't like them.
The music is excellent though.
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and hippies weren't with the mentality and fashion? Punk evolved into different genres, with some loving government.. (rare however).
it's as wide spread as all rock and roll. Punk doesn'r stop at the age of 14 (although for most that are 13-16 it does). But many find that that is were we belong. And I think that's where the hatred for certain views end.
not the true punx
share A lot of punks came from families of ex-hippies. These ex-hippies did a lot of drugs, swinger parties, etc in the 70's when they should have been raising their kids.
The children rebelled against this kind of neo-hippie lifestyle and bore a hatred of hippies because of how neglectful and selfish their ex-hippie parents were.
When do you think Punk started? I was punk in 1977. Rock music had become overproduced crap by that time.
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I agree with a lot that was said above, especially in terms of not wanting to be peaceful stoner hippes that smoked dope all the time and stayed comatose.
Punk was all about being more alive and aware and not taking *beep* Besides that style-wise, it was about everything opposite of the hippies thing, besides clothes looking all clean and new.
What I mean is bell bottoms were out, skinny pants and jeans were/are in. The big goofy hair was out, replaced by a more streamlined, shorter cut.
It's all pretty cartoony, but the hippie thing was all about not doing *beep* and eventually becoming a yuppie(or staying a hippie), while the punk thing was about getting drunk, sure smoking pot but not always, and getting more into the music and the scene in general.
I think also hippies were more into sex, whereas punks weren't all about sex.
It's just a 180 degree turn, the anti.
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That's true. An entire Ramones (1975/1976) set at CBGB's could be played during some band's drum solo.
The American punk scene of the mid 70s (as was the British) an attempt to DIY music. In the late 70s, early 80s, bands were recording singles at some cheap studio or making cassette tapes.
The hippies were largely laid back, punks were more aggressive. Punk, unfortunately, at least the early punks, became pretty cliche - black leather jackets, similar hairstyles, etc.
Both were rebelling against the status quo. "Dazed and Confused" is a pretty good example of what life was like before people started going punk, at least for a lot of people.
The punks of the early 80s were trying to recapture some of the earlier punk energy and attitude. The earlier punk music became "new wave" and pretty safe. Watch Don Lett's "Punk: Attitude" for really good insight into "punk" music.
username "dcw-12" is the only person who had anything really valuable to contribute along with being the ONLY accurate statement about punk or punks. actually he hit the nail on the head. punk was and is a direct opposition to everything that the hippie generation thought was "right on" and "revolutionary". besides the use of drugs, i guess, but drug use amongst teens and young adults is going to happen in any subculture, although punk spawned straight edge. agree or disagree with the ideals of straight edge, but it is a pretty revolutionary stand for a young person to take and the idea of it and where it came from is pretty revolutionary and has had plenty of positive impact in punk music and peoples lives, critiques about group-think or supposed "fascism" aside.
anyway, what made suburbia great wasnt that it was cinematic gold, but it WAS the first movie to show punk rock or punks in any kind of accurate or sympathetic light. it most certainly is not a great movie but its good for what it is and it did have a good and authentic punk soundtrack, featuring three of the biggest california punk bands at the time, T.S.O.L., THE VANDALS, and D.I. its a movie that is cherished by kids that grew up punk in the 80s(myself included)or just appreciate gritty, low budget movies about teen issues or the dark underbelly of society. its in the same class as movies like Foxes, Over The Edge, and Repo Man in that it isnt afraid to show mainstream audiences(that would choose to watch a low budget movie)in a fairly accurate(or at least more accurate than any mainstream films at the time would dare to show kids...see "The Warriors")manner just what their kids or their kids friends are up to when the adults arent around.
there wasnt exactly a plethora of exposure for punk or any youth subculture in mainstream movies in the early 80s. the only time punks were shown in a film or on a tv show, they were portrayed the way that hippies were portrayed on tv shows like the Streets Of San Francisco or movies like Dirty Harry. therefore, anytime a movie, no matter how "bad" came out that dared to show these groups and better yet actually use the music they listened to in the soundtrack, it was going to be supported and elevated to cult status by people in these youth subcultures.
Couldn't tell ya. I can point out the differences and similarities between movements...but in the end, I think we just didn't care for anyone. A culture of people who don't care if they live or die is one to fear.
shareI think it's because Hippies sold themselves, their culture, and their children's future for comfortable death and a Beamer; then spent the next thirty years lying to everyone about how F'n great they were. "huh, we had the system on it's knees, maaannn!!!', is what they call out the windows of their oh-so-cute Gated "Communities"...so, the former rebels no longer want to get their soft widdle hands dirty by living in the garbage-pile that they helped create? Let's see how fast you paisley-wearing pukes can run when the children you cheated and lied to come calling for justice!
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Can't remember where I read the quote but it was from Keith Morris saying that the line was very marginal. That he didn't understand why punks wanted to take the piss out of hippies. Same *beep*
Then look at Crass and the Dial House. All the anarcho-bands.
The hippie movement fell apart and got its bad rep just like any other movement has: too many bandwagoners that violate what the subculture is all about. All people can remember are those bastards, not the pioneers.
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I know, right? You'd think. They're both anti-war. Anti-establishment. However, "hippie music" or music popular back in those days, consisted of bands that were signed to major labels (part of a huge establishment) thus contradicting what they supposedly stood for. But that's just my guess.
Why does it matter if someone's black? That part always confused me a little. Punks usually being open-minded and all.
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Being a punk since middle 80's, I NEVER hated hippies, quite the opposite, as I consider them (along with many comrades worldwide) as the seed of the punk movement. I've met some old hippies (now over 60 years old) and they seem amazing people to hang around, I enjoyed every minute of it. Of course hippies and punks are two sides of the same rebel coin. There's nothing more retarded thing to feel, than hate for somebody who doesn't do you harm to say the least. All that hate comes from people who anticipated punks as a twisted form of... boneheads! Truth be told, many "legendary" "punk" bands contributed to this idiocy with their crypto-fascist, macho etc attitude, but that hate was/is just a construction of their retarded little fascist brain in their little bonehead world.
By definition, that hate cannot be expressed in any person taking punk in it's complete and thus political aspect. Punk is libertarian, egalitarian, anarchist -minus nazi punk scum- etc. We have many people and institutions to hate, entities that do us real harm. Hippies are brothers/sisters... Criticism towards hippies is another thing.
Having said that, I do have a problem (basically disgust) with "hippies" and "punks". I talking about people only adopting a consumerist translation of punk (again with the blessing of some "legends"), pretending to be either hippies or punks. In reality, that only extends to what they can buy or what lifestyle they can wear fashion-wise. They never understood anything, they were always like parasites in any movement and currently a portion of the anti-hippie hate comes from them...
ps: IMO, punk's important aspect, or at least what I consider as important, started when political entities and ideas came in and populated the scene making it a movement. That was the time where "iconic" junk punks like Sid Vicious took their place in the garbage bin, where they belong.