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do you think the guy shot the other guy at the beginning?


"turn your key sir!" *pulls gun* --CUT

We never know what happened next. What do you think?

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SPOILER (sort of)

Both men are seen (the one who didn't turn his key is John Spencer) a few minutes later leaving the facility, after the decision was made to replace them with the WOPR system. Nobody was shot, we know exactly what happened to both men.


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wait for iiiiit...

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Its also explained that there was a percentage of men that didn't turn the key.
I think they set that drill up for a reason, and it was nice to see that nobody really died.

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Just watched that scene again. The one who pulled the gun on the officer in charge was Michael Madsen.

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I hear that a lot.

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The guns were not loaded. Both guys were seen a few minutes later in the film.

Anyway, assuming proper procedure was being followed with that gun, since this was all a drill I am certain the bullets were blanks.

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If he shot him with a blank from close enough (within a few feet) he could still injure or kill him (remember Jon-Erik Hexum?)

http://io9.com/5972313/why-a-gun-loaded-with-blanks-can-still-kill-you

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If he shot him with a blank from close enough (within a few feet) he could still injure or kill him

They could have used dummy rounds which have the look, weight, and feel of live rounds. If you don't need a gunshot sound and/or muzzle flash, dummies are the way to go. Since there is no propellant (gunpowder), dummies are much safer than using blanks. They are essentially harmless realistic looking props (phoney bullets).

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(remember Jon-Erik Hexum?)

I certainly do... but remember he had that .44 Magnum against his temple... such a damned tragedy for someone to die so young because a prop like that wasn't explained carefully enough.

~ the hardest thing in this world... is to live in it ~

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The pistols were loaded. We see them issued their weapons and ammunition as they enter the silo.

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I'm just expressing my opinion.

You may all go to hell, and I will go to Texas.

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The pistols were loaded. We see them issued their weapons and ammunition as they enter the silo.


I think duckofprey is suggesting the following: Given that each missileer team are issued sidearms and ammunition when going on-duty for each shift, it is at least reasonable to consider the possibility that dummy ammunition (gunpowderless props that look and feel like authentic live rounds) could have been issued to test subjects to ensure safety during the exercise.

We can deduce that there were indeed preparations for a number of anticipated contingent responses from test subject missileers. For example, when ordered to contact the (missile) wing command post over the high frequency radio and then SAC (Strategic Air Command) over the direct line, 'Lieutenant Steve' (Michael Madsen) was unable to get any response whatsoever. Unless this was a coincidence (very unlikely), the failure to be able to communicate with outside command was purposely pre-planned as part of the test. Therefore, it is reasonable to accept that dummy rounds could have been issued for safety, should a scenario occur like the one depicted during the first few minutes into the movie: "Sir, we have a launch order . . . Put your hand on the key, sir. [cocks and points his sidearm] Sir, we are in launch, turn your key! Turn your key, sir!"

We can assume that this particular missileer team was part of the 22% who failed to launch their missiles: "I'm sorry. I'm so sorry . . ." [missileer captain removes his hand from the launch key, while the missileer lieutenant points his sidearm at the captain and threatens to shoot] We know that Lieutenant Steve did not successfully shoot 'Captain Jerry' (John Spencer), given that both are seen later on in the movie helping to prepare the launch control capsule for remote operation, as part of McKittrick's plan to "take the men out of the loop." This supports duckofprey's supposition that [dummy ammunition rounds] may have been issued for missileer shifts during the test exercises.


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Rule #1 of fragging is never kill your superior officer when it's obvious you're the one who did it and there's no one else to blame for it.

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I've said this in another thread but it needs to be repeated. Shooting him wouldn't have helped. The reason for this is because they are setup so that one person couldn't possibly turn both of them.

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Then why pull it in the first place? Why have guns at all inside a vault?

Then of course, you know, Michael Madsen.

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Because you don't think clearly when you have a gun pointed at you. You know that he won't be able to turn both keys but when he is aiming a gun at you, that logic goes out the window. At that point you are thinking "this guy has a gun and if I don't do what he says he is going to shoot me"

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