I always try to watch a movie and empathize with the time frame. However, I just have trouble with the fact that Emma leaves her baby on the steps while she runs off to confront the mistress of Flap. Was there no concern of kidnapping back then or something? And nonetheless, I just felt Emma's character was really selfish throughout the movie.
shareEmma came across as being very "small-town" , seemed to trust everyone around her, save Flap and Janice, and probably never even thought of kidnapping. When I was younger, I thought only children in rich families were kidnapped, so I thanked God I would never be.
In some ways, I agree she could be selfish. At first, when she confronted Flap "I'm onto you", I was wondering what the hell her problem was, but he did become an "incredible a$$hole" on campus.
I'd like to have a friend like Emma, but I wouldn't want to be in a committed relationship with her.
(But then Janice is no real winner, either - can you validate that feeling?)
NO! FORGET IT! I'M NOT GONNA MAKE YOU FEEL BETTER I'M TOO MAD
emma was a very implusive person and somewhat immature (like flap) and didn't think about such things as kidnapping at that moment.
shareWell, the stroller was in the window so she still was in view. If she continued chasing Janice down the steps and across the yard with the stroller, she never would've caught Janice (who was a slut-as any female after a MARRIED man with children no less would be).
shareActually that always bothered me too...she had gotten Janice's attention and Janice waited for her...why didn't she just bring Melanie with her when she confronted Janice...unless she didn't want Melanie to hear the conversation for some reason, though I doubt that Melanie was old enough to understand what was going on.
shareIt's not only the possibility of kidnapping that makes the scene ridiculous. Melanie could have fallen from the stroller, been accidentally pushed, etc.
Emma was not portrayed as a bad mother, or selfish -- behavior like that is just beyond comprehension for any parent. STUPID!!!!!
This was brought up in another thread. I am glad that I wasn't the only one that had a problem with this scene.
Kidnapping happens to all types. It just depends on what the abductor wants. This movie was around the time of Adam Walsh. Yeah, John Walsh had a good living in hotel management, but that wasn't what the abductor wanted. He raped the poor boy and did other things I don't want to say. Adam was born the same year as me. I remember it very vividly as a child. I guess that is why I have a problem with this scene.
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Well, in her defense, it was a small-town Iowa college campus in the middle of the day and that was the medical building, so a few moments of her daughter sitting in her stroller on the front steps -- still in eyesight, mind you -- was probably a fairly safe bet in the early 80s.
Not brilliant, and I noticed it too and it bothered me as well, but it was a pretty safe gamble. Child abductors don't typically prowl college campuses, as a rule.
Emma may have seemed selfish, but she always put her three children first and cared very much for them. She was married to a philandering man who had few scruples and thought little of moving the family halfway across the country to follow his girlfriend around, and she was under emotional control by her mother no matter where she went. Altogether, not an easy situation to live with when you factor in three small kids that you're basically rearing on your own since the father is always off messing around with other women.
Aren't you being a little harsh on Flap? We have no evidence that the is "Philandering"; he has ONE affair (Just as Emma does), and I believe he ends up marrying Janice. (Doesn't Aurora refer to "you and Janice" not being able to raise the kids? or is that in Evenng Star?)
And Emma did NOT always put her children first - She ignores Tommy and expects him to watch his bother and sister when he is a child himself. When she is talking to the John Lithgow character at the supermarket she yells at the kids and tells them to go to the car. She is not watchihg them at all, but is busy flirting.
And notice that Flap is the one taking care of the daughter in the campus scene when Emma first confonts him. (A dad taking such responsibility was highly unusual at the time the movie was set - usually only the most dedicated Dads did this). While he is caring for the daughter, Emma is pursuing and carrying out her affair.
It's interesting, I saw this movie in the theater when it came out, and I remember NO comments about this aspect of the movie. It was a different era and this was not meant to show Emma as stupid or irresponsible, and was not taken that way at the time.
You must be the change you seek in the world. -- Gandhi
I saw this movie in the theater when it came out, and I remember NO comments about this aspect of the movie. It was a different era and this was not meant to show Emma as stupid or irresponsible, and was not taken that way at the time.
i agree...the people who claim this "kidnapping" issue of poor judgement by Emma are utterly clueless bastards that not only miss the point of the scene but also do not understand the gist and depth of the movie...
it [leaving the child like that ]is not relevant...this was the early 80s...if you're not old enough to remember the time back then, then don't comment as if you didn't already know that it was a more carefree era. guess what, in in the 1950s children used to play with Mercury--that's right, that cancer causing element known as mercury! times change..
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What is this, the third thread on this topic? Everyone needs to relax. The kid is in eye-shot and ear-shot. Emma only wanted to talk to Janice for a few seconds. People are so critical of this kind of thing, times were different back then...and today, kids are so coddled, they're all growing up to be spoiled jerks.
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It was a different time. I remember seeing this in the movies and that sort of thing was not as common as it is today, or if it was you didn't hear about it.
Not that I support what she did, but she was relativly close and makes mention to the girl.