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paul snider's 'makeover'


what was the point? he looked just as sleazy and pimpish before as after.

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That is the point -- he doesn't understand the environment he's in (Beverly Hills). This is Paul's version of "adapting" to a higher scale environment, and it is doomed to failure.

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thanks for the clarification. i think i was feeling a little sorry for the little SOB there for a minute. and dorothy's nervous-laugh about how "he doesn't dress like that anymore". . . hoe desperate she must have been, feeling loyalty to paul yet wanting to please the star-makers.

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One must remember that what was stylish in 1978 or 1979 is quite different from the fashions of today. Even by these standards, Paul still ends up with a pimpish look. The irony is that Paul goes to so much trouble to improve his appearance and fit in, and the final result is he comes off the same -- it's an exercise in futility.

I'm glad this thread was started, because it makes me realize that getting a makeover is one of the sub-themes of the film.

Dorothy certainly gets a makeover, and goes from innocent Canadian girl to icy blonde sex goddess (at least on the surface, deep down she's still insecure -- until Aram gives her more confidence). On a deeper level, Dorothy undergoes an internal makeover, from naive girl to confident woman.

Paul, of course, is a guy in constant makeover mode -- we first see him pumping iron, trying to improve his physique. He tries to go from pimp to personal manager and entrepreneur and producer. Since he is so demanding on himself, it is only natural that he would give Dorothy a makeover. The irony is he does his job too well, Dorothy gets too popular, and he loses her.

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great analysis all 'round. i was old enough in '78 and '79 to remember guys dressing that way, but in indiana, we were more about jeans and t-shirts than the "high style" :0 of the city of angels. i like you being able to carry the metaphors all the way through. next time i watch, which will be soon, i shall pay more attention to these developments. prob a new thread, but. . . has any of DR's family commented publicly on specifically about snider?

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I'm really glad this thread is here too. All of the references to Paul's image - practicing his greetings, the makeovers, pointing out clothes & hair to people - are all indicative of a person with absolutely no personality. In other words, sociopath. For sociopaths, their image IS everything because it's all they have - they have no sympathy, no empathy, for anyone but themselves. The way he treated Dorothy as HIS property and HIS discovery, so therefore HE deserves the fame and not her, and the conversation with her mother ("I love it." "What did you say?" "I said I love her") are further proof of how sick he really was.

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He was so superficial that in the fatal scene leading to Dorothy's death, he told her that he must have combed his hair 100 times, meaning he felt that he could get her back if he could get his hair just right.

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I watched the second half again last night (I've yet to see the entire film lol), but I wondered the same thing. He didn't really have a 'makeover' he looked the same.
I kept wishing he's shave that sleazy mustache off, but then he'd look like Eric Roberts (who was not unfashionable hehe) and not like Paul Snider.


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Guys in the '70's dressed like pimps. You'd be at a party anywhere in the country and guys would wear their polyester shirts unbuttoned down to the waist of tight pants along with Brut after shave.

To answer the person above, I remember the line about combing his hair. He was in over his head. Here's guy who rehearsed his lines in the rearview mirror of his sports car. Nothing was working for him any more. He wasn't the first manager who lost control of his client.

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This thread makes me remember a small detail in the scene in which Paul meets with a private detective, and he is going to wear a wire. Paul tells the detective he will wear more stylish clothes, and the detective just laughs, says it doesn't matter what he wears.

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Thank you for the fashion statements. Makes me very glad I didn't live in those times.

No, I'm laughing with you not at{against} you!

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Thank you for the fashion statements. Makes me very glad I didn't live in those times.

LOL! Hey don't knock bell bottoms and platform shoes until you tried them! Groooooooovy, baby!!

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Guys in the '70's dressed like pimps.

You mean creeps dressed like pimps in the 1970s. Normal guys never dressed like pimps.

Creeps are creeps no matter what decade they are in.

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It may be that there are a lot of pimps or ex-pimps functioning in the entertainment business as managers. Paul couldn't change while Dorothy could.

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He went from a poor sleazy guy to a sleazy guy with more money in his pockets (or should I say DOROTHY'S bank account)!




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His insecurities and self-loathing are what made him somewhat accessible to the audience. Paul Snider was a repugnant man, but Eric Roberts managed to make him human.

I love the scene where he is trying to act confident in front of the mirror, but he gets frustrated and says "F You" to himself. It encapsulates the film and the character.

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