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The Blu Ray running commentary...


First off let me say that the Blu Ray release by Kino Lorber is very good and well worth the upgrade from DVD (though I'm definitely keeping my MGM DVD in order to have an open matte print with more picture as well). The intro by director Sam Firstenberg is cool, but the running commentary is another story altogether.

Firstenberg's comments, when he's actually allowed to speak and can get in a few words in a row before being interrupted, is for the most part informative and entertaining, but the same cannot be said for his counterpart, the film's stunt coordinator and stuntman Steven Lambert. Let me preface this by saying that I have nothing but respect and admiration for stuntmen and stuntwomen who have long been the unsung heroes of action films, often putting their lives on the line to put together and execute exciting and dangerous stunts. They rarely get the praise they deserve. Unfortunately, Lambert takes it upon himself to give himself praise for stuff he didn't do. Before watching the commentary I'd read a few reviews that said he was annoyingly pointing out ad nausea every time he was doing something on screen in a 'look at me, look at me' way, but I didn't expect that he'd be claiming stuff that simply isn't true.

Listening to him you'd think he was the real star and real director of the film. It was so over the top that it was often laughable. But that wasn't the part that was the most bothersome, it was his false claims about being the sole "Masked Ninja" double in the film. I fully expected him to point out who the real "Masked Ninja" double was fighting Sho Kosugi in the finale, which was Sho's real-life student, a black belt named Eddie Tse. Not only do the film's credits state this fact but Sho himself said so back in 1983 in a number of interviews he did to promote the film. In what seems to be a Brian Williams style embellishment, Lambert is now claiming that not only did he do stunts like jumping off the building, but he was the one fighting Sho throughout the whole scene. Amazingly Firstenberg and Lambert mention Alan Amiel when they see his name in the credits, but fail to say anything about the fact that the credit right below that says Masked Ninja Double...Eddie Tse! After taking the credit himself, I suppose it's not that surprising that Lambert didn't mention it, but come on.

Anyway, suffice it to say that I suggest taking everything that Lambert says during the commentary with a grain of salt. Personally, I'm taking it with a big tablespoon of salt. Watching the film with Lambert's non-stop self-congratulatory comments it was obvious that he was full of himself. Unfortunately, by the time it was over, it was clear that he was full of something else too.

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Have you listened to the commentary for Ninja III: The Domination ?

It's pretty similar with Lambert dominating most of the commentary although I do enjoy listening to him talk about the stunts and how they were crafted.

For years before I did some reading about the canon films I always thought Alan Amiel was the double for the villain in both Revenge of the Ninja and Ninja III.

"We're all afraid of the dark inside ourselves." - Sam Loomis

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Yep, I listened to the "Ninja III" commentary when the Blu-ray first came out. At that time I took Lambert's comments as facts, but considering his numerous grandiose self-serving lies (all discredited by facts) during both the "Revenge of the Ninja" and "American Ninja" commentaries, I will take what he says on the "Ninja III" commentary with an equal amount of salt (if I ever listen to it again).

Alan Amiel was pretty much Sho Kosugi's right hand man for all of his 80s ninja projects (and interestingly enough only his ninja projects) starting with "Enter the Ninja", where they both played/doubled numerous Maroon Ninjas in the beginning sequence.

Here's a rundown of Alan Amiel's role in each of Sho Kosugi's 80s ninja projects:

ENTER THE NINJA (Maroon Ninja, One of Venarius' men)
REVENGE OF THE NINJA (Red Ninja Leader)
NINJA III: THE DOMINATION (Black Ninja Double, Assistant Fight Choreographer)
THE MASTER (Double for various characters usually fighting Sho who's either playing Okasa or doubling "The Master", One of Webster's Men in "State of the Union", One of Okasa's Ninja in "Kunoichi")
9 DEATHS OF THE NINJA (Cave Guard, Cave Ninja Leader, Assistant Stunt Coordinator / Assistant Choreographer)
PRAY FOR DEATH (Vinnie Seline, Devil Masked Ninja during "Black Ninja" TV series opening scene, Koga Double, Soji Double, Assistant Martial Arts Choreographer)
MASTER CLASS (Producer, Instructor's Assistant fighting Sho and Kane)
RAGE OF HONOR (Alan, Camouflage Ninja Leader, Action Coordinator)

By the way, Eddie Tse (the real Masked Ninja end fight double in "Revenge of the Ninja"), who was completely shafted during Lambert's "Revenge of the Ninja" commentary, also doubled Rutger Hauer when he swordfight's Sho in "Blind Fury". Sho stated that he brought in his former student especially for this duel because of his skills. You can actually see the reflection of Tse's face in the mirror-covered walls in a few spots during the fight. And interestingly enough, in late 1981/early 1982 Sho and Eddie Tse did a demonstration of ninja weapons techniques at a ninjutsu tournament in Phoenix to promote the US premiere of "Enter The Ninja".

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Black Belt Magazine March 1982
https://books.google.ca/books?id=HtIDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA16&lpg=PA16&dq=sho+kosugi+%22eddie+tse%22&source=bl&ots=Tl8zsPzqUC&sig=TAqkptZe7TDLts-MSrVhQOiHL1M&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CC4Q6AEwA2oVChMIrsqkldmUxwIVhQ-SCh3LKwYN#v=onepage&q=sho%20kosugi%20%22eddie%20tse%22&f=false

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Bump

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Weird bump.

Why bump this four year old thread without adding anything to it?

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