Does anyone think Emma Spool, played by a 65 year old woman, could have committed the murders? Does ANYONE think a 65 year old woman could stab Lila Loomis so hard that the knife went through the back of her head? Stupid. It was a "They're not going to guess this one!" move by the writer. No, the viewer is not going to guess if the murderer is completely ridiculous.
shareI've watched this film a few times now, hoping for an "ah HAA! So THAT'S how she did it!" moment. But I have to agree with you. They needed a plot device to get us suspecting Norman and then to have him 'restored to insanity' at the end. They needed plot twists to keep us guessing. Unfortunately, just as you say, a 65 year old woman cannot do all of those things. How the beep did she get Lila under that coal pile?
It's one of those things that leaves you feeling cheated. It's a good film, but it would have been perfect if not for the nonsense surrounding Emma Spool.
she was 65?? I thought she looked more over the 70 mark.
shareOf course it's possible. Who did she kill? A really drunk guy, a stoned teenager and another older woman who was crouched on the ground. They all were handicapped in some way, so it absolutely worked.
shareThen how did Spool get Lila under the coal pile? She said she felt bad about everyone picking on Norman so one by one she followed them.
But if you think about it her "killing" them only brought bad attention to Norman and condemned him, if not for Mary conveniently being caught with the knife in her hand.
I think Toomey was killed by either Norman, Lila or Spool
The boy was killed by Spool or Lila
I think Norman killed Lila, and put her under the coal (at that late point he was driven nuts)
I can't make up my own script, if that is not what was revealed in the narrative, or was intended as the point. This was not the intention.
The film played by the premise that Norman was innocent and Lila and Mary were attempting to drive him mad. Lila was a self-serving, manipulating and narcissistic hag, even sociopathic herself; but she was not a killer. Spool killed Toomey, the boy and Lila. She admitted to such at the end and only then did Norman flip around to his old ways. Even Mary claimed to have locked Norman in the attic when the boy was killed. The script is contrived, convoluted—not as much as part III—and a certain amount of suspension of disbelief required to buy into it's ride. The only person that Norman killed in this terrific sequel was Spool.
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Ya I get it, but Spool was criminally miscast she was a feebly shaky old woman acting, do we really buy that actress could stash Lila's body under pounds of coal, do we believe she could lift Toomey into the trunk and then push the car into the swamp??
Perhaps if her character was slightly more agile the film would work, maybe like Ms. Voorhees agility.
I agree this was a terrific sequel, great acting, soundtrack and suspense, just the miscast of Spool ruined it.
Spool's real identity was only revealed to us at the end, and while her age may seem like a gaping plot hole—she didn't look that frail—it is negligible to the overall experience. She was an old lady, but not incapacitated. Mary was not a killer and wanted to help Norman after she got to know him. She didn't even intentionally kill Dr. Raymond. Lila was just good at being a b!tch.
I love this film and it is my favorite from 83', in a year of many goodies.
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her age may seem like a gaping plot hole
she didn't look that frail—it is negligible to the overall experience. She was an old lady, but not incapacitated.
I never really give it that much thought, just that Spool admitted to being the killer. Something not being believable, is still in a sense a plot hole.
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I'm the one on here who generally decides what is and not a plot hole. In this case, I rule it as a plot hole. No way can some 65 year old lady kill and dispose of the bodies as Mrs Spool did
shareDoes anyone buy a 65 year old woman is the killer?
nope not really ,it looks like they tried too much
in "confusing " the audience with who really was killing all those people
*too many "twists/turns" are overkills
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She'd have to be pretty spry for her age and quick. Maybe she was in desperation mode: protect Norman at all costs!
shareSure why not if Mrs Voorhees who was in her 50's could throw a dead adult woman through a window why not Miss Spool as the killer.
shareDoes anyone buy a 65 year old woman is the killer?