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So James Bond is aware of the James Bond theme?


When Bond first gets to India near the beginning of the movie, he walks by some snake charmers. One of them switches his tune to a few notes of the James Bond Theme. Bond notices it and stops and turns around to see where it came from. That is how he meets his Indian contact.

So is James Bond aware of the James Bond theme music? Or was it just like they told him to listen for this tune (which we know as the James Bond theme) to find his contact?

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Ha. Just watched that scene a little while ago and thought the same thing.

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I'm sure it was just done for fan service.

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I always assumed it was prearranged by MI6. Like the whole discourse on lighters going wrong from "From Russia With Love." Bond was told to listen for that tune to know who his contact is. Of course, as an added in-joke for the audience, the famous theme was chosen.

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It is a question about diegetic and non-diegetic music - for the first time the music is actually part of the plot, something that even makes James Bonds' ears prick up.

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Yes, that's an interesting detail. As far as I know something like that was never seen in any other of the Bond movies. That's actually called 'breaking the fourth wall', when the character becomes aware of his/her fictional existence, environment, or other elements of its fictional universe. In this case, it's the James Bond tune. I thought that was a nice inside joke.

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I think it's open to interpretation. If you want to believe that Bond has broken the fourth wall, you can. And if you don't want to believe that, maybe within the Bond reality the tune has a different significance, like being the theme of a series of Bond-like movies. Ultimately, it's probably best to take an approach of "just enjoy the joke and don't look too closely". :)

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It's just one of those inside type jokes. Part of the silly nature of Roger Moore's Bond.

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Although they did have a few in the older movies. Like having the timer stop at 007 in Goldfingrt or Henderson saying "stirred, not shaken" in You Only Live Twice.

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Yeah, that was kinda silly too....

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Valentine Bond's KGB competitor turned ally said that as well in "Goldeneye".

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"Nobody Does It Better" is typed into a musical door keypad in Moonraker. A janitor is whistling "Goldfinger" in OHMSS.

The biggest fourth wall break in the series is Lazenby's, "This never happened to the other fellow."

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"Nobody Does It Better" is typed into a musical door keypad in Moonraker. A janitor is whistling "Goldfinger" in OHMSS.



No, the keypad code was the famous five notes used to communicate with the aliens in Close Encounters of the Third Kind, in keeping with the outer space theme of Moonraker and the recent popularity of CEotTK.

You're right about the Lazenby fourth wall break - I didn't even understand that until the second viewing.

I feel like there was a similar in-joke in Diamonds are Forever referencing Connery's return, but I can't remember it offhand.

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Right tune, wrong movie. "Nobody Does It Better" is typed into the keypad to get into the Identigraph room in For Your Eyes Only, not Moonraker.




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My god you are over thinking this. Its was just a piece of music used as a code by Vijay to signal to Bond that he was his partner in india. Obviously no one in the Bond universe is aware of the Bond theme so why not use it as a code in the movie?

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Cleaner whistles Goldfinger as Bond walks by in OHMSS.

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That lady in the club sings Live and Let Die in front of Bond in LALD.
And doesn't Lazenby say something like "This never happened to the other fellow" in OHMSS? Likely referring to Connery?

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Lazenby made the 'other fella' remark as a joke, presuming it would be cut but the director liked it and kept it in. Odd since they were going flat out to lay the ghost of Connery

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this also happens in "rocky", the third movie in the franchise i think, mickey hears someone playing the rocky theme and turns his head and asks them to change the tune, funny, persons with their own theme music, i think peter griffin asked for that in an episode of "family guy", glad john barry brought back as making music for this, bill conti who made the music for the bond movie prior to this was great making the music for rocky, but barry fits bond soundtracks better, speaking of breaking the fourth wall, connery does that at the very end shot of "never say never again", bond movie filmed the same year as this, there is also a line by q in never say never again, something like after bond has been gone... guessing connery? "been awfully dull around here" and "i hope there will be some intercourse and violence", paraphrasing a bit, they even put those lines in the trailer (promotion) for never say never again, the "live and let die" singing i'm so used to i never thought of it until you brought it up, that version of the song is featured on the cd soundtrack, i rather like it, all these years i've completely missed whistling of "goldfinger", i'm gonna have to keep an ear on that next time i come across "on her majesty's secret service", the opening credits to that movie features pictures from earlier movies if i'm not mistaken. "this never happened to the other fellow" in on her majesty's secret service was almost too much and left me confused if they really intended that to mean the prior actor. yeah, my explanation for the happening of this is also "just enjoy the joke".



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