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Didn't think it was that great.


I didn't really connect with this one much. I've see Solaris and Ivan's Childhood and would count them both as two of my favorite films. Haven't seen anything else by Tarkovsky yet. I think the problem is, I don't think I fully understood it at times. And I was interrupted a few times while watching, so I probably couldn't give it the required concentration. I don't think the plot was as engaging as the other two films, though. But, again, perhaps it was because I didn't fully understand it. And the picture wasn't Criterion quality like with the other two. And I'm thinking the quality of the image is extremely important in a Tarkovsky film. So, that may have had something to do with it as well. I'll watch it again, eventually, but for now its my least favorite so far.

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same, the way I see it is just a last sort of chance at the end of a director's tunnel where he regurgitates all the elements from his past films but ultimately fails to express anything worth while. and it's filled with all those lame references which is so annoying.

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I finally saw this a few days ago...ok, at times I felt it was almost wilfully obscure. The mystery was being disguised as vagueness. I toiled in my sofa, restless at the dreadful slowness of everything. Pondering shots of, well not very much; the first hour could have been done in half an hour and with just as much suspense and thoughtfulness.

Then something happened in the last twenty minutes, just before the statue scene, when after his speech on top of it, I 'understood' everything about it. Maybe not the actual plot points (I couldn't even figure out it the black and white flashbacks were of his Russian family and childhood home, and didn't have a clue about what the old ruins meant, but seem clearer now as I write this sentence!) or what the woman (I forget her name) was so worked up about. The film had an unforgettable 'feeling', a sense of itself.

But still, I found the reasons for the poets self-imposed incarceration slightly baffling, ie. reasons for. His dissatisfaction couldn't have been that great to just start living again in the countryside.

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Finally recieved my dvd in the mail today and saw it only for the 2nd time. Definetely thin this is one of Tarkovsky's best. Also this film felt similer to Mirror to me, which is one of my top favorite Tarkovsky films.

first time i saw it, it seemed like a film where not much happened. But watching it the second time i noticed how muh diolouge it had, and how many ideas and how deeo it was. It made me think of a lot of things. In short, i thought it's one of the best films ever made. Beautiful, really one of theee most beautiful films i've ever seen.

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Possible that this film failed in the eyes of the OP because he/she was looking for "plot," if you look at what was said in the original post. I don't think that's what makes Tarkovsky films what they are; it's more a mood or an atmosphere, or some kind of texture, or flavor. Have you ever tried to describe what Andrei Rublev or Stalker were "about" to a friend who's more into Hollywood-style gunk?

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Actually, I watched all of Tarkovsky's other films since I posted this... And enjoyed all of them. So, this one was the only exception. Still haven't watched it again yet. ...I'd really like to have a decent print this time before re-watching.

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I can understand that someone who knows only 2 films of T, might be disappointed..But it's one of his best. Autobiographical ( as more films) ..and rendering the idea of sacrifice / will/ hope in a better way then his last ( which I found a little 'disappointing' ...SACRIFICE ...that was a 'quicke'in my opinion.
This one's GREAT. I've been to that cathedral without roof in Toscana, and it's magical indeed...I relived the film while beeing there. Outside time.Some things are so beaautiful that they make me cry, that movie did and so did the original ruin of the cathedral in Toscana.

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If you didn't like this, don't watch Mirror.

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While I agree Nostalghia resembles Mirror more than his other films, I like Mirror a lot more than Nostalghia.

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I didn't think much of this film compared to the rest of Tarkovsky's oeuvre, for the simple reason that it was far too obvious and dull. I knew at each moment exactly what was going on and found the foreshadowing of the protagonist's death, for example, rendered the penultimate scene simply banal. The finale was, though darned similar, not a patch on the emotional intensity at the summit of Solaris. And all the air/water/fire/earth symbolism was more than heavy-handed.

However the cinematography was, as usual, worth watching on its own. The sound design was remarkable, though nothing you don't get in Stalker. Some of the mise-en-scène was jaw-dropping. But the plot, especially the lamentation of the translator, was in need of a serious edit.

Mirror is so much better than Nostalghia. As was The Sacrifice. And all the aforementioned films. Even Ivan's Childhood, perhaps.

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There was something about it that I found too bitter, and the visuals didn't grab me the way Stalker or Solaris or Andrei Rublev or The Sacrifice did, but I still can't honestly say it was even near bad either. Also my copy froze after the candle scene and wouldn't play again when I tried to... so maybe I shouldn't even be commenting.

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I actually like this one very much, maybe my favorite after
Stalker and Solyaris. But all of his films are good and I only
found Sacrifice to be a bit harder to stay with, it was a bit
not so engaging at the beginning 30-45 minutes or so.
Again, Nostalghia was exceptional movie for me.

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"They are stuck in the literal, graphic present".

Most movies are. There`s no reason they should be, as many master filmmakers have very resoundingly demonstrated. In method and effect, things like Laat Year At Marienbad or Days Of Heaven or The Long Day Closes or La Jetee or Tarkovsky`s own Zerkalo, among others, pretty much ARE poetry.



"facts are stupid things" - Ronald Reagan

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Not sure what exactly do you mean by La Jetee`s content being conventional; must it be extraordinary, the themes or the narrative in themselves startlingly original? It`s mostly about the "how" as opposed to the "what", anyway, and somehow I doubt these CGI fantasies feature such stunningly evocative photography, such clinical precision in the use of this photography or the poetic rhythms Marker is able to conjure and sustain. And its themes of memory/fate/predestination appear unified enough. Same with Marienbad where everything revolves around memory and loss. Or Days Of Heaven and the fall from grace (and talking of Malick, as far as I`m concerned, DOH as well as Badlands are just about two of the most perfect films ever made because, perhaps above all, the incredible tightness and economicy of their storytelling. There`s hardly a shot wasted, pretty much every image is made to count - visual communication at its purest and finest. Malick really isn`t "inferior" to too many filmmakers, even though his work is getting weaker with each new movie). And Zerkalo, the way it builds connections like wormholes between times and places, is perhaps Tarkovsky`s most purely cinematic effort - and paralleling the protagonist`s experience with the one of Russia as a whole, also gives things a rather broader dimension. Ain`t a big fan of Nostalghia, either, though - just like Tarkovsky`s last film Sacrifice, it`s kind of overly ponderous and somewhat on-the-nose.




"facts are stupid things" - Ronald Reagan

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"My gut feeling is that you are Romantic, while I am Classical".

Hm, it`s never occurred to me to think of my preferences in these terms... well, it`s certainly accurate to say I appreciate poetic qualities in art. After all, I think art should probably appeal to the emotional side foremost. But Romantic... I dunno, Kubrick is a big favourite yet him being "cold", "emotioally distant" and "overly cerebral" are the standard criticisms of his films (although I don`t personally agree with these assessments). And Dostoevsky is one of my top 3 favourite writers. Don`t know much of anything about classical music from experience, so I`ll just have to skip that subject.


"Movies are just not in the same league".

My thinking, on the other hand, is that film might just be the artistic medium with greatest potential as it combines the literary, the visual, the aural, the physical performance and shapes it all via editing, the one tool unique to film. But comparing film to literature is kind of a pointless and impossible exercise to begin with - hell, on another board I just sort of concluded even comparing feature film to TV series is... hard, complicated. At best.


"Beyond the creative control of any one man".

Well, obviously no film can be quite 100% director`s own voice... even if the director personally oversees all aspects of a production and has the final cut. But I don`t really need to resort to any philosophical/theoretical musings to prove (to myself) the abundant existence of auteurist cinema - all I need to do is take a look at a film and recognise an unmistakable directorial handwriting that shines through even if the editors and cinematographers keep changing. Obviously though auteurs are a tiny minority - and I´m also not trying to imply an "auteur" is by all means a superior artist/entertainer to a filmmaker who doesn`t possess such an idiosyncratic style (for instance, I seriously doubt I`d recognise a John Huston or a Howard Hawks movie in a blind test...)


"Reed`s The Man Between or Ray`s They Live By Night".

Haven`t seen the former. Do like the latter - although I think Altman`s remake, or is it re-adaptation, Thieves Like Us is slightly superior. Flawless movies are obviously extremely rare to come by... Barry Lyndon would qualify as such... and a couple of debut`s like Lynch`s Eraserhead and Coens` Blood Simple... but perfection ain`t that important anyway. Many of my favourite films are quite heavily flawed yet the strong parts are so strong that it becomes irrelevant.


"I`m a huge fan of John Ford & Hitchcock".

I can`t stand Ford - mainly because this goofy, boorish, horribly unfunny vaudeville humor he seems to cultivate in each of his films (Liberty Valance in particular was almost unwatchable due to that). As for Hitch, I wouldn`t call myself a fan, but nevertheless Vertigo is amongst my top 25 favourites... and there are nearly 10 of his films I`ve rated 8/10 or higher.


"But the picture-postcard golden fields of Days Of Heaven are a cliche to me".

Well, many a meadow look the same, sir. But of course I totally reject the often voiced ridiculous criticism that "you might as well watch some National Geographic programme" for I`ve never seen a NG programme where soundtrack works in such sublime unison with the imagery, that is edited with such sophistication and where the voiceover provides an ethereal, distant tone and perspective. As for the sketchy relationship... Malick doesn`t do character studies. But nevertheless the mental states are more than successfully conveyed through images - both of people in question as well as other objects or natural phenomenae.


"I never for a moment buy the concept of movies as paintings".

I do. I also buy the concept of film as music, which is how Kubrick and Altman insisted they should be seen.




"facts are stupid things" - Ronald Reagan

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after Ivan's Childhood, I like Mirror next.. Solaris bored me to sleep, both versions
Ivan's remains his best

My only regret in life is that I'm not someone else - Woody Allen

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