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Why I think Tarkovsky is the best director ever


Its because films like this one and others like Stalker, Andrei Rublev and Solaris that i'm sure that Andrei Tarkovsky is the best director ever. If anoyone as a different opinion, please let me know, I would like know your opinions...

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I know he is an inconceivable director, a remarkable director.His narration style,themes are all so brilliant.

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Yes the greatest director ever!


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I just don't know if i'll ever understand the hype that surrounds Tarkovsky. I honestly don't. With the exception of Andrei Rublev (which I thought was fantastic) I have completely disliked almost every one of his films. Everytime I'm about to see another one of his films, I tell myself it's going to be great and i'm going to love it, and everytime my hopes are crushed. First it was Solaris, then the Sacrifice. I was almost going to give up after the Sacrifice, but I remained optimistic and looked forward to Andrei Rublev. I watched Rublev and all expecations were fufilled. There was a part of me that was worried that it might be the sacrifice, except 3 1/2 hours, which very likely could've kill me. Luckily, it was nothing like the Sacrifice (or any of Tarkovkys other films). It seemed completely different to me, and the strange thing is, is that at 210 minutes, this seems like the shortest Tarkovsky film and the one with the best pacing and overall flow.

So again, my hopes remained high that i'd enjoy the mirror. I watch the mirror and, while it was no Rublev, it certaintly was better than the sacrifice. I think I could grow to really like it in the future.

Now today I put in Nostalghia and again question the praise of Tarksovky and this film. I disliked it as much as the sacrifice if not more.

Many of the characters i've seen in Tarkovkys films are some of the most bland and uninteresting characters that i've ever been shown on film. I know the pacing of his films are deliberate, and the abscense of a score or anything artificial are excluded for a reason, but why? The problem is, I dont really care. I just can't bring myself to anyalyze a film that I didn't enjoy AT ALL. I could analyze a wall with a layer of paint drying as well, but I'd rather try and decode a Bunuel film personally.

I really have nothing against Tarkovsky as a person. From what I've read on him and from what i've seen in interviews, he seems like a highly intelligent person who i'm in agreeance with on many issues, including the cinema (among other things). I guess we just have a very different view of what art is.

You don't make up for your sins in church. You do it on the streets...

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derekisdman:

"I just can't bring myself to anyalyze a film that I didn't enjoy AT ALL."

I don't think you should, really. If you don't like it then that's that. No one's forcing you :)

At least that's the attitude I have towards films, especially art films. I trust my own taste. No one had told me who Tarkovsky was before I rented Solaris from the video store. Every one of his films that I've seen since then has moved me so profoundly that I really can't describe my feelings about them in words.

But if you really feel like you've missed something, then maybe you should view them again at a later time.

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I can see what you mean. Once I was a big fan of all his films, but since having them all on DVD and seeing them two or three times and reflecting on them between viewings, my enthusiasm has actually narrowed to Andrei Rublev and Stalker - these are great great films, and his other ones all contain great SCENES and even SHOTS but just don't click as perfectly to me. It's as if he has the spirit of cinema for those two, and only patchily for the others.

- What seems to spoil many of his films for me are the constructions which could have a AUTHOR'S MESSAGE glowing above them - the miniature house in a puddle in Sacrifice, the miniature house inside the cathedral & the 1 + 1 = 3 (or similar sum a la The Idiot) in Nostalgia, the raising of the little bell in Ivan's Childhood, the anti-gravity Bach-time in Solaris... And yet these same techniques are heartbreaking in Stalker - the glasses on the table - and in Andrei Rublev - the casting of the bell...

But then in the same films we get a beautiful glass of water, or a man and a child planting a tree, so I'm not complaining really.

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I agree on Stalker and Andrei Rublev, they same most complete and have most alluring depth...Mirror didn't have that for me, but Nostalgia really has. The complexity of the subject matter; its perception of spirituality and the search for truth not as some dogmatic joyful adherence, but a crushingly scary introspective process that pushes on to the verge of madness...these themes I found some of his most incredible.

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thanks for being honest.
this movie probably isnt as good as everyone says it is

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Unfortunately I have to co-sign derekisdman.

I don't have a shot attention span and I love slow movies in vibe of Antonioni, Cassavettes, Yang or Hou, but Nostalgia was painfully boring experience to me. I couldn't relate to none of characters presented here. Besides beautiful visuals, there was nothing I could hold my attention on. I watched all Tarkovsky films and I loved Solaris, Stalker and Andrei Rublyev. That's it. I simply don't get what people love about his movies. Nice visuals? Check Fellini or Lynch. Surrealism? Check Jodorovsky, Bunuel or Fellini. Three dimensional characters average person can relate to? Check Scorsese and Cassavettes. Don't get me wrong. I love art cinema, but Tarkovsky movies usually leave me cold, emotionally dry and simply bored. Or maybe I don't know how to watch them.

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He is one of the greatest filmmakers.

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Spielberg is better, Jaws is way better than any Tarkovsky film.

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Spielberg is better, Jaws is way better than any Tarkovsky film.

Good for you man. I also liked Spiderman.
All jokes aside, I think comparing these two directors is a joke(oops). There is a BIG difference of intention between the two filmmakers.

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I agree. Spielberg is just a money hungry pig. Tarkovsky used his craft to help humanity see itself in the mirror.

"He should be beaten every Saturday like a dog"

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"Spielberg is better, Jaws is way better than any Tarkovsky film."

MWA-HA-HA-HA!!!!

And cheese in a can is gourmet food...



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"Spielberg is better, Jaws is way better than any Tarkovsky film."

Nothing like a good simple joke to cheer up your Friday morning



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"If I could kill Spielberg, I would kill Spielberg".

Signed by no "someone", but one Alejandro Yodorowsky. He said that many years ago already, so apparently he can´t kill Spielberg after all.



"facts are stupid things" - Ronald Reagan

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"Its because films like this one and others like Stalker, Andrei Rublev and Solaris that i'm sure that Andrei Tarkovsky is the best director ever. If anoyone as a different opinion, please let me know, I would like know your opinions..."
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You might be just right. Considering his awesome opus (rather short one comparing to other greats) he might be the best ever. One could only wonder (dream!) what 'more' he would deliver, if he had a chance to work more...

I DO think he was a genius, a true artist and unique filmmaker (I like his works VERY much), but considering all I slightly prefer Bunuel and Bergman and maybe Kurosawa (just my personal taste).
Any of them made at least 5 masterpieces (that's movies to be watched, enjoyed and cherished 100s years from now)...so this is really a tough vote.
In any case - TOP 5 ever without any doubt (IMHO).


vivaLuis

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Are you joking ?

Can you please tell me which particular 5 masterpieces Bunuel made?
He was serious at most in 5-7 movies.

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"Are you joking ?"

Not really, LOL. Check my sig, if you care.

"Can you please tell me which particular 5 masterpieces Bunuel made?"

Of course. Here's are some (trying to avoid too much repeating from the post below; I thank that poster again for helping us broaden our horizons).

In reverse chronological order:

Le Fantôme de la liberté (The Phantom of Liberty, 1974)
Le Charme discret de la bourgeoisie (The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie, 1972)
La Voie lactée (The Milky Way, 1969)
Belle de jour (1967)
El Ángel exterminador (The Exterminating Angel, 1962)
Viridiana (1961)
Nazarín (1959)

Ooops, that's more than 5, my bad. Take your pick and enjoy!

"He was serious at most in 5-7 movies."

I don't think so, IMHO he was joking 'all the time' and that's his greatest strength.


vivaLuis

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1)I'm not sure if Tarkovsky is the Best, tough he is in the Olympus of directors... right there with Bergman, Kubrick, Kurosawa, Buñuel, Fellini and Scorsese. I'm sure we can agree there, that is a top 7, rankings would differ between all of us, but certainly this 7 directors would be the greatest. That said:
2) Nostalghia is the Best Film by Andrei. That's my opinion. I remeber I had class at 7am, I started watching Nostalghia at 3am, thinking that probably I would fall asleep and resume it in the morning after class. Nostalghia hypnotized me, kept me awake (I would say almost without blinking) until its end. Then I had to go for a walk and have a smoke to make up in my mind the masterpiece that I've just seen, that level of art beyond expectations.
3) Altough I haven't seen the Staker (very difficult to find here in Costa Rica, my country), I've seen Nostalghia, Andrei Rublev, the Mirror, the Sacrifice and Solaris. All masterpieces except for the Sacrifice, it is an excellent movie but not a masterpiece as the other 4 I've seen.
4) Finally as a reply to the las post. I will name masterpieces by Buñuel: that Obscure Object of Desire, Viridiana, el Angel Exterminador, Belle de Jour, los Olvidados and Un Chien Andalou. Brilliance on cinema each and everyone.

PD: spielberg and Tarkovsky don't play in the same league of cinema don't compare them, I like Spielberg (not particulary Jaws, actually I think Munich is his best film). Again don't compare them, unfortunately Steven is going to lose.

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I would say that Tarkovsky is the best director ever back in 1983 when Nostalgia was released.

I was so impressed that I signed up in a film school.
Nevertheless, I would say that The Mirror is his best film for me. It's not the imagery behind it but the poetry and the philosophy.
Stalker comes second and Nostalgia third.

Times change and I have grown out of this kind of cinema and mentality. But I still kinda like the poor bastard.

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...for giving me a hand with this one...I'm especially glad you named Los Olvidados since I haven't seen it yet. That's another plus on his conto.

"4) Finally as a reply to the last post. I will name masterpieces by Buñuel: that Obscure Object of Desire, Viridiana, el Angel Exterminador, Belle de Jour, los Olvidados and Un Chien Andalou. Brilliance on cinema each and everyone."

I agree, of course, but I'll expand that list a bit more (see above).
Cheers!



vivaLuis

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To Miran Kor:

Thank you now for reminding me of "the Phantom of Liberty" and "the Milky Way" ("Milky Way" I haven't seen, looking for it on every single video rental/store in Costa Rica), "Le Discrete Charme..." one of my favorite movies don't really know why I didn't mention it.
One thing only we both forgot the 1930 surreal masterpiece "L'Age d'Or". Maybe not his best (at least in my point of view) but certainly a must see for anyone who loves movies brilliance by Luis.

You're right Miran Viva Luis!

Regards, Roberto from Costa Rica

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I love also La Voix lactée (don't know the english title). Very ironical.

- Who is God ?
- When you close your eyes and make a wish, God is the one who doesn't care about.

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L'AgeD'or? Had always considered it to be one of his bests

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Definitely one of my favorite director and though I am yet to see his Nostalghia and Sacrifice, I loved Andrei Rublev, Stalker and really liked Solyaris and Ivan's Childhood. I am eager to watch the two not seen movies asap. I simply love the way he portraits his character, their inner conflict with the usage of very less dialogues and more of background images, and the characters expressions.

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For me he is the best director becaus he conciously used his art to try to make the world and human beings better. He didn't just make netertainment films, he made films that point out human faults and imperfections.

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Frankly I felt a little bored watching parts of his Stalker. Though there was strange feeling of a movie communicating on different levels, of perception, which I haven't experienced with other movies

His movies are, literally, like dreams. Their ability to penetrate the mind to make an impact, is ahead of cinematic craft of make believe movie making

Wish he made more films or other filmmakers like Tarkovsky existed (Bela Tarr etc. are interesting though do not posses those qualities, IMHO)

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