Krull Plot Holes


Let's discuss the inconsistent logic of this movie:

- The Beast's fortress can move through space, so why does it have to land and teleport to a different location in the planet every day? Why doesnt it just stay in orbit?

- Where did the slayers get their horses?

- If the slayers have these laser spears why didn't they just carry a whole bunch of them to kill all of their enemies since they suck at sword fighting?

- When we see Lyssa's father's castle it seems to be out in the middle of nowhere. Aren't castles located in nearby farms and towns so that they can defend it?

- When the two kings decide to unite there only seems to be about no more than 50 to 60 guards in the entire castle, how could they possibly fight the Beast with that small an army?

- During the fire in water ceremony it seems both the bride and groom can make fire, throw it into water and make fire again??? Does fire work differently in Krull?

- Does the fire and water ceremony only apply to nobles or can only Colwyn and Lyssa do it? Or can every married man in Krull blast fire from their fingertips?

- When the slayers attack the castle (and everyone knows how deadly those laser spears are) why does everyone not take cover?

- Why didnt the guards have any crossbows or bows to use against the slayers? Why wait with your sword drawn standing like an idiot till you get laser speared?

- Is Colwyn the only survivor of the attack? How comes he only gets a slight wound in the shoulder and everyone else ends up dead?

- Ynyr (a stupid name if there ever was one) says Colwyn must get a weapon called the glaive to kill the Beast. Yet the Glaive is the most useless weapon in the entire movie since all it did was kill a few slayers and rip a wall down. Was Ynyr a con man or an idiot?

- Colwyn picks up the Glaive from a pool of hot magma with his bare hands. Is he fireproof? Is everyone in Krull fireproof or is it just Colwyn?

- Why did the Beast bother to kidnap Lyssa? If he didnt want the prophecy of their son to come true then why doesn't he just kill her? What would a giant alien monster want with a human princess anyway? Marry her? Rape her?

- When Ergo first meets the gang he is a fireball who blasts into a nearby pond just a few feet away. How did Ergo know where to find them? Was it all a coincidence?

- The seer claims that the swamp is outside of the beast's power range yet the beast has slayers and a shapeshifter waiting for them and the seer also claims the quicksand is caused by the beast. Isnt quicksand commonly found in swamps? If the beast could control the quicksand why didnt it just sink the entire swamp and be done with it? Why just turn a portion of it into quicksand where everyone else can form a human rope and get themselves out of it?

- Why did the beast send only one shape shifter? Why didnt it send a whole army of them to kill Colwyn's gang?

- When Ynyr starts moving along the spider's web why does it jingle like its made out of wind chimes?

- So the Widow of the Web became a trainer to a giant spider because she killed her own baby. Does this happen to every mother of the planet that kills their own baby?

- How does the widow know where the black fortress will be?

- When the widow gives the old man his sands of time why doesnt he just put it in his pouch so he can live longer?

- When Colwyn's gang try to grab the fire mares why didnt the wild horses use their super speed to get away from Colwyn and his gang? They are wild horses aren't they?

- When Colyn's gang reaches the fortress why did the slayers bother to open their doors to fight them? All they had to do was keep their doors closed and Colwyn would have never gotten in, right?

- When Colwyn's gang got into the fort why didnt the slayers wake up the beast? Why did the beast keep sleeping while his house was being invaded? Wasn't the beast supposed to be able to tell the future? And if he did know the prophecy was going to come true why did he even bother attacking Krull in the first place?

- One hit from the slayer's laser spears is enough to kill anybody except Colwyn (who just got wounded in the beginning) and the cyclops (who seems to be immune to them). What makes those two so special?

- Ergo turns into a tiger. Why are the slayers suddenly (even when armed with their laser spears) afraid of a tiger?

- Why didnt Ergo turn into a fireball (like what he was when they first met him) and burn the slayers to death? Or even a Dragon? Why a tiger?

- If the beast can shoot fireballs from its mouth why is it vulnerable to fire?

-The glaive gets stuck on the beast's stomach. Why didnt Colwyn just retract the blades of the glaive so he didnt need to pry it out?

-So Colwyn uses his marriage ritual to kill the beast, thereby making the quest for the glaive pointless. Why didnt he realize this before? Was Colwyn that dumb not use his flame powers in all the time he was fighting the slayers and what not? What kind of idiot wont use a flamethrower hand that always been there?

- How exactly does Colwyn's son rule the galaxy one day? Are there another known planets besides Krull thats inhabited? How do they get there?

With all these plot inconsistencies its obvious as to why the movie failed. Rumor has it that it was the most expensive film made by Columbia pictures and was a huge flop upon its release. Whats funny is that while they spent millions on sets, costumes and such, it seems they spent only a few cents on a lackluster script.

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TLDR (and I'm a reader). Either just go with the silliness of the movie, or don't.

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TLDR (and I'm a reader)

That makes you a liar then. 

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How is the particular sound FX the web makes when touched, a "plot hole"

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Do you hear bells ring when you touch a spiderweb? 

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I'm not sure you understand what a plot hole is. The noise the spider web makes is called a sound effect. It's a fantasy movie taking place in a fantasy world. Things look and sound different than they do on Earth. There is also a mountain flying through space in the opening scene. That isn't a plot hole either.

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If there's no logical explanation for it then its a plot hole.

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There's also music playing through lots of the movie, just like most movies. This isn't logical either. Many things happen in movies that are not exactly "logical" that does not mean it's a plot hole.

It's not logical that a 50 foot ape exists on an island in "KING KONG", that doesn't mean that is a plot hole. I could go on and on but I think I made my point.

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I'd suggest you look over on Google Earth, over in the British Isles for castles. Many are built at cliff edges to guard water approaches and pretty isolated altho there might be nearby towns and farms to buy stuff from. Otherwise castles were pretty self-sustaining. They wouldn't even allow forests to grow up that close. Don't let Windsor Castle fool you.

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How does google track teleporting castles?

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- The Beast's fortress can move through space, so why does it have to land and teleport to a different location in the planet every day? Why doesnt it just stay in orbit?


So the slayers can debark and conquer the planet.

- Where did the slayers get their horses?


From some planet with horses.

- If the slayers have these laser spears why didn't they just carry a whole bunch of them to kill all of their enemies since they suck at sword fighting?


They conquered the galaxy, so why do you think they suck at sword fighting? Only the heroes of the story were even able to hit them; they pretty much butchered everyone else.

- When we see Lyssa's father's castle it seems to be out in the middle of nowhere. Aren't castles located in nearby farms and towns so that they can defend it?


Not on Krull, at least not that one. For all we know it's just a small vacation estate anyway. In other words, a nice place for a wedding.

- When the two kings decide to unite there only seems to be about no more than 50 to 60 guards in the entire castle, how could they possibly fight the Beast with that small an army?


Perhaps that was a small portion of their combined forces, an honour guard for a vacation estate, which made it a tactical blunder on their part which the Beast exploited.

- During the fire in water ceremony it seems both the bride and groom can make fire, throw it into water and make fire again??? Does fire work differently in Krull?


Perhaps it is magical fire, not regular fire.

- Does the fire and water ceremony only apply to nobles or can only Colwyn and Lyssa do it? Or can every married man in Krull blast fire from their fingertips?


Since no one else ever uses it, one can assume not everyone can. Since no one seems particularly amazed by Colwyn using it, one can assume the power is not entirely unheard of.

- When the slayers attack the castle (and everyone knows how deadly those laser spears are) why does everyone not take cover?


There's no indication that anyone knows anything about the slayers other than the fact that they are conquering the planet. It could be that they never left a single survivor behind to report their tactics and the palace guard are taken by surprise.

- Why didnt the guards have any crossbows or bows to use against the slayers? Why wait with your sword drawn standing like an idiot till you get laser speared?


Because they were totally unprepared for an enemy with projectile weaponry.

- Is Colwyn the only survivor of the attack? How comes he only gets a slight wound in the shoulder and everyone else ends up dead?


Destiny.

- Ynyr (a stupid name if there ever was one) says Colwyn must get a weapon called the glaive to kill the Beast. Yet the Glaive is the most useless weapon in the entire movie since all it did was kill a few slayers and rip a wall down. Was Ynyr a con man or an idiot?


Neither. If Colwyn hadn't been able to rip that wall down he would have kind of been stuck wouldn't he. It also weakened the Beast.

- Colwyn picks up the Glaive from a pool of hot magma with his bare hands. Is he fireproof? Is everyone in Krull fireproof or is it just Colwyn?


Anyone worthy would not be burned by the magical lava.

- Why did the Beast bother to kidnap Lyssa? If he didnt want the prophecy of their son to come true then why doesn't he just kill her? What would a giant alien monster want with a human princess anyway? Marry her? Rape her?


Prophecy says her child would rule the Universe. He intends to be that baby's daddy.

- When Ergo first meets the gang he is a fireball who blasts into a nearby pond just a few feet away. How did Ergo know where to find them? Was it all a coincidence?


It was a coincidence, which he states when he mentions that he landed thousands of miles off target.

- The seer claims that the swamp is outside of the beast's power range yet the beast has slayers and a shapeshifter waiting for them and the seer also claims the quicksand is caused by the beast. Isnt quicksand commonly found in swamps? If the beast could control the quicksand why didnt it just sink the entire swamp and be done with it? Why just turn a portion of it into quicksand where everyone else can form a human rope and get themselves out of it?


He can physically send slayers to the swamp, which he did, but he can not psychically block the Seer's vision there from is fortress while the Seer's power is augmented by the whatever it was they were going to. As for why not just liquefy the whole swamp, apparently that was beyond his power.

- Why did the beast send only one shape shifter? Why didnt it send a whole army of them to kill Colwyn's gang?


The Beast isn't an all-knowing psychic. He anticipated they would go to the swamp after the Seer tried to precog the location of his fortress. If he knew where they'd be then he'd send an army, so obviously he did not know where they'd be.

- When Ynyr starts moving along the spider's web why does it jingle like its made out of wind chimes?


Because a crystal spider's web makes that noise.

- So the Widow of the Web became a trainer to a giant spider because she killed her own baby. Does this happen to every mother of the planet that kills their own baby?


She wasn't its trainer. She was imprisoned there for her crime. She was not a normal woman, just as Ynyr wasn't a normal man.

- How does the widow know where the black fortress will be?


She's a precog like the Emerald Seer.

- When the widow gives the old man his sands of time why doesnt he just put it in his pouch so he can live longer?


Dumping it out of his hand would have killed him.

- When Colwyn's gang try to grab the fire mares why didnt the wild horses use their super speed to get away from Colwyn and his gang? They are wild horses aren't they?


They were corralled into a box canyon.

- When Colyn's gang reaches the fortress why did the slayers bother to open their doors to fight them? All they had to do was keep their doors closed and Colwyn would have never gotten in, right?


Correct. That was a tactical blunder, but then they didn't anticipate a blaster-proof cyclops who shouldn't have been there. On the other hand, Colwyn could have probably cut an opening with the glaive.

- When Colwyn's gang got into the fort why didnt the slayers wake up the beast? Why did the beast keep sleeping while his house was being invaded? Wasn't the beast supposed to be able to tell the future? And if he did know the prophecy was going to come true why did he even bother attacking Krull in the first place?


He came to Krull for Lyssa. Why he was sleeping, who knows. Maybe he likes to game all night.

- One hit from the slayer's laser spears is enough to kill anybody except Colwyn (who just got wounded in the beginning) and the cyclops (who seems to be immune to them). What makes those two so special?


Ergo took a slayer blast to his paw and lived.

- Ergo turns into a tiger. Why are the slayers suddenly (even when armed with their laser spears) afraid of a tiger?


Tigers are scary.

- Why didnt Ergo turn into a fireball (like what he was when they first met him) and burn the slayers to death? Or even a Dragon? Why a tiger?


Ergo wasn't exactly the most competent warrior.

- If the beast can shoot fireballs from its mouth why is it vulnerable to fire?


It is Magic Fire of Love

-The glaive gets stuck on the beast's stomach. Why didnt Colwyn just retract the blades of the glaive so he didnt need to pry it out?


Because he couldn't. The glaive would no longer respond to him after it got buried in the Beast's chest.

-So Colwyn uses his marriage ritual to kill the beast, thereby making the quest for the glaive pointless. Why didnt he realize this before? Was Colwyn that dumb not use his flame powers in all the time he was fighting the slayers and what not? What kind of idiot wont use a flamethrower hand that always been there?


Obviously Colwyn was kind of dumb, but he didn't realize that love could defeat the Beast until the end. Before then he intended to fight power with power.

- How exactly does Colwyn's son rule the galaxy one day? Are there another known planets besides Krull thats inhabited? How do they get there?


His father killed the ruler of the galaxy, why wouldn't he become the new ruler of the galaxy?


Even if none of my stupid answers are correct, not a single thing you listed is really a plot-hole, since none of it is internally inconsistent within the logic of the movie's universe.

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It's sad you can't just watch a movie and enjoy it no matter what plot holes you feel are there. Fantasy movies are just that, fantasy. I feel bad for you. Lol

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There are good fantasy movies (LOTR) and then there are lazy fantasy movies that insult the movie goers intelligence. The filmmakers did not care enough to fix these holes (and many, many, many more) in the attempt to throw it out there and trick people for their cash. Why is that important factor to be brought up for a movie made in 1984? Well, they are still using the Krull model, and thus good fantasy films are being put to the back burner while these movies keep getting made...

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Guess what? Every single movie I've ever watched has plot holes! You could pick apart every movie from every genre. I could pick apart LOTR to death. I don't care though, I love them all the same no matter the plot holes. Go make a movie and make sure it doesn't have any plot holes and I'll bet you people will tell you certain things are plot holes no matter how much you think there aren't any.

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Read My Post - You can't tell me you can't see a huge difference between the continuity of the Oscar winning LOTR, and this garbled piece of mess?

Really? - I mean even when the main bad guy suddenly looses his omnipotence for plot convenience? Or that they attempted the "assembling the team" trope, only to make the whole team redundant, contributing nothing to the finally? The quest for the weapon that takes up most of the movie and in the end it does not even play a big part? The happy ending after all those people get massacred? And literally, a thousand more... These are the pillars of the entire movie and your reasoning still stands as "every movie has plot holes"? Really?

Why it matters...


Plot holes get fixed in the rewrite, by the scriptwriter and very qualified script editors. Lazy movies skip the rewrite and move right into principle photography without a care for the audience -residentevil6901- will go see it anyway! No thank you!

I have written scripts before, and one of the biggest parts of the job is to be manager of the elements, and make sure they fit together, so this far flung story can be believable. When one disregards that part of the job, it should not be rewarded, like any other profession who does not do a part of the job they get paid for, they should be fired.

No one is going to hire a lawyer who forgets to file his briefs, but shows up to court when he is not even on the docket! Its ludicrous! Why would you let a screenwriter/production team do the same thing, and then defend them for it!

If it cannot be fixed, then they should shelve it until it can be fixed, definitely do not release it and hope no one notices...

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Remember when they edit down a movie it creates plot holes, compare the LOTR theatrical versions to the extended editions. It makes the theatrical edition look full of plot holes once you watch the extended versions. Krull was edited down some so it effects the final product. But what you see as plot holes I see as someones final product that I got to watch and experience for enjoyment no matter what questions don't get answered. I choose to enjoy what is there to be seen not whats not there. Great thing about America huh? I can go see something and enjoy it when the next guy can't such as yourself? I feel sorry for you. Oh well.

Go watch LOTR again with a pad and paper and get back to me with how many plot holes you find.

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This was not in the film editing process, this was in the script - the script makes very little sense and I am sure they knew it, but Return of the Jedi was raking in a bunch of $$$, and to cash in they had to put it out as quickly as possible. Too bad (for them) this thing was so bad that they made nothing on the Star Wars hype it tried to attach itself too. It was a huge bomb! -

To go with that it won worst picture of the year- pre-Razzie awards by well known critics. After finishing a few movies already in production (including the enjoyable Ice Pirates) the screenwriter never worked again.

I get what you are saying and respect, you have the right to like whatever you want,I did not say I hated it. I liked it in a Mystery Science Theater 3000 kind of way. But you can't ignore the fact that the plausibility of this movie seems like it has been shot by a shotgun! Saying otherwise is like insisting that the blue sky is red, no matter how much you deceive yourself, the sky is blue... This movie has way above average continuity problems.

I would have liked a film where people cared about making it, and we could be watching a Sci-Fi/Fantasy classic, instead we got a movie that would not even make it on SyFy channel...

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Wow talk about not having any imagination.

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Your argument is that people should be stupid like you and notice things. No human should adopt duck a philosophy.

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Lol I notice things so that makes me stupid? Does a philosophy quack? LMAO

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LMAO

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How does Ergo find them? The fireball shoots into the pond and they happen to be there at that time, that was too tough to just sort of figure out? Also Colwyn is the "Right" man for the Glaive and that is probably why his arm could deal with the flames. If you are watching a fantasy film you have to just sort of "go with it."

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I'm going to say "You're right, but I still liked it." A lot of illogical stuff occurred in this film, but it won me over with the character's sacrifice and fellowship. It was enough for me to have someone say the Cyclops acts oddly because they know how they die, and it's touching when the Cyclops decides to save his brothers anyway.

Moments and choices like this is what make this movie great.



Thor 2-Attack of the Clones-The 5th Element the trifecta of bad movies.

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