1 movie vs 8 novels?


There's no denying, I recently got into Renko's novels just because of this movie. I don't know... the mood, the setting... you could say Gorky Park has its flaws (yes, that english accent) but it sucks you in no matter what. It's well structured, flows nicely, you go along and you just KNOW the base material must be good (simple application of the often correct rule "book > movie").

So yeah, I was just wondering why they didn't keep adapting Martin Cruz Smith's novels into films? Didn't Gorky Park get positive reviews when it came out in 1983 (I'm asking you, 80s movie-goers)? Of course now it could seem outdated and obscure, but back then it doesn't make much sense.

William Hurt totally embodied Renko's personality, the quiet, analytical, somewhat wounded and sultry, deadpan sarcastic detective -- I couldn't imagine anyone else playing him (perhaps Cillian Murphy? Who would you cast in a reboot?).

I haven't read Tatiana, but it came out in 2013, imagine if ~they~ skipped directly to that one? One can dream.

I just finished reading Polar Star and oh my god -- what a fantastic movie that would have made. I guess that boat has sailed forever now (pun intended). Perhaps the fact that Polar Star came out only in 1989 (8 years after the Gorky Park novel, 6 after the movie) played a role in this? Audiences' interest wasn't that high anymore? You tell me, I have no idea.

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Sure I read a few years ago that Martin Cruz Smith is not a fan of his books being turning into movies and was somewhat dissatisfied with this movie (I think only one other book he has written has ever been turned into a movie...some horror story he wrote in the 70's) and probably put him off making a Renko sequal straight away (as you said, Polar Star seems to come out towards the end of the decade, then we get a steady flow of Renko booked throughout the 90's and 00's)

I think the main reason is it just got lost in the tail end of a epic year for cinema.... just look at 1983... Return of the Jedi, Flashdance, Trading Places, Scarface, Superman 3, Jaws 3-D etc..... all these movies made good money at the box office, while Gorky Park only made about $15m (actually more than what Monty Python and the Meaning of Life made, and it has went on to get a cult following)

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Hey there! Do you happen to have any articles/interviews/whatever links on MC Smith talking about Gorky Park (movie)? I went straight on to reading Red Square, but that thing you said about him being dissatisfied with the 1983 adaptation really made me want to go back to the start and check out the novel. I read in another thread that Hurt himself never regarded Gorky Park as one of his favourite movie experiences etc. Damn, what weng wrong there!

And yeah, you made a great point there about other 1983 movies. Incredible and kind of understandable when read that way.

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You are talking early 00's (sure it was about the time of Wolves Eat Dogs release) so unsure if able to find it.

Probably not happy that they shredded almost a 1/3 of the book (the whole Renko and his Father plus the New York part) and lost what was the meaning behind that (effectively Gorky Park could have been set over 2 movies with the material on offer).

Really, Gorky Park does push a lot of weight behind itself....a screen legend in Lee Marvin....William Hurt would go on to win a Academy Award for best actor in his next movie (Kiss of the Spider Woman)...Michael Apted went on to direct a Bond movie....James Horner did the music (who went on to do Titanic, Braveheart, Apollo 13, Avatar etc)... for such a "forgettable" movie, it does have some pretty big and well know names in it.

I believe Hurt is very unsatisfied with it, and a number of his fans also.... go on hos IMDB page and any "greatest movies" thread, Gorky Park very rarely gets a mention (some even refer to it as "that movie" for some reason).

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I'm just done reading Red Square (started Havana Bay yesterday) and the incompatibility between the movie universe / book universe seem even bigger to me now (still haven't checked out Gorky Park novel).

I cannot understand why they deliberately sacrificed Pribluda at the end of Gorky Park (when Osborne kills him in the shoot-out)... basically that made impossible a faithful Havana Bay sequel (when the story revolves around Pribluda being found dead in the bay itself), not even considering how Pribluda helped Arkady out of the psychiatric facility in Polar Star (via flashback). Perhaps Cruz Smith even took advantage of that, to stunt any other adaptation.

And also: Arkady's wife leaves him in Gorky Park (novel)? Irina was blind in one eye? Shocking to learn these things online.

But what really bothered me is how Arkady's "contrast" with his father (in the 1983 version) only goes so far as characterizing him as sloppy (unshaved, chalk on his jacket, sliver of food on his lip), when -- considering the stuff he goes through (Red Square, Polar Star) -- that only seems related to the contingency (a trawler ship in not really the best place on earth to be dapper and classy). The father-son struggle runs a lot deeper and it's quite a shame how they "dealt" with it (or didn't at all).

There are hints of Arkady's mother suicide in Red Square and how he resents his father, and I can only suppose the whole thing was developed fully in the first novel, still: such fundamental element to the character's weight was left behind in the movie.

As I said before I think Hurt did a fantastic job portraying Renko (and knowing his acting style he probably read the novel and took all these elements in "subtle" consideration for his performance), but given the material it still kinda comes off as a mostly aesthetic role -- I wish the movie hadn't been so one dimensional in regards of Arkady's depths as character.

Once again, it's a 2h+ crime thriller thing, and considering Cruz Smith peculiar way to mix styles (novel-like here, some lyrical descriptions there, crime, suspence, a little romance), the full dose would have seriously taken hours.

Reading Red Square -- I realized that one was almost impossible to make into a movie (perhaps a TV series) without actually mutilating it.

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Yes, clearly Smith was so dissatisfied with the movie that he completely ignored it in terms of what happened to the characters in the movie, and somewhat made them key to the story line in his future books in order to ignore it (after his death, Van Lustbader took over from Robert Ludlum for writing the Jason Bourne books, and has now written 6 or 7 over the last decade, and in his books he has started using major elements of the Matt Damon movie version as influence/history of the character and story line in his books).

Agree, the books do have some really dark aspects of the characters that the movie seems to sugar coat over somewhat.

Renko and his relationship with his father seems to take up 1/5th of the book roughly 2/3rd of the way through the book..... while since I read it, but from what I recall the book and movie are both fairly accurate up to just before the Stockholm scene which is just about the end of the movie (while its about half way through the book) and (not wanting to spoil anything) they do leave out a really good part of the book (which could have been used for a 2nd movie!).

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I would had liked more followups about Renko.

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Definitely a missed opportunity. Would've been great to see a bunch of these made in the same vein as the Jack Ryan stuff.

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