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William Hurt inauthentic


Anyone else find William Hurt inauthentic in this role — especially when he spoke?

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Aside from his half-butt attempt at an accent, he actually embodies the character of Arkady pretty damn well. His wit and cynicism and under-the-radar demeanor are perfectly in keeping with the character from the book.

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I thought his acsent was dead on. It is just that you are not used to him with that acsent.

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He does a reasonably good English accent (e.g.in "Jane Eyre") even though it sometimes sounds a little plummy. I think the accents in "Gorky Park" were down to the director who decided that the Russians should speak with "English" accents, presumably because with the exception of Hurt most of them were played by British actors. I believe he actually wanted to do "Russian".

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I like Hurt and I liked his performance untill I read the book. I pictured Renko completely different. Purely lookswise, of course. Hurt is a fantastic actor.

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I thought Hurt was remarkably bad in this one. I do generally find him to be pretty good in other stuff. And a big part of the problem was obviously the poor script. But he was definitely wooden and weird and not well-suited for this role. I wish I had not seen this. My impression of William Hurt as an actor will never be the same.

Not that he could've possibly saved the film no matter how well he acted. What an awful movie with a stupid plot, terrible script, and bad acting all around. Almost everything about this film was mediocre or poor. I was starting to think maybe, just possibly, he realized how bad it was going to be and just stopped trying halfway through the filming or something.

And that woman who is allegedly so hot that everyone is instantly falling in love with (and in Hurt's case I mean incredibly instantly)--but damn if she's not ugly.

And I've never seen such a lack of chemistry on the big screen by two characters who are allegedly in love. It made me feel dirty. Hurt did not seem even slightly in love with this woman. His "I love you" type lines were the worst.

This one left a really bad taste in my mouth. Ugh. This movie should've been shot and killed just like practically all of the other characters were.



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Thank GOODNESS I am not the ONLY one who feels this way. THANK YOU!

Okay, first off, I'm honestly not a big complainer about films; I love thousands of different types of films from David Lynch to Woody Allen to really cheeeezy stuff. So, I'm not gonna just rip the film like I'm some kind of know-it-all. But, I've read about this film and the book for a long, long time and finally I thought okay I'll take a look at it. I gave it a good 1/2 hour and I truly was just sitting there in COMPLETE astonishment as to how absolutely HORRIBLE it was. Like I say, I'm really not a snob or anything. Hey, I even love the DIE HARD films, okay? But man... Just like you said in your post above mine, HORRIBLE script, acting, everything.

And yet, many people really love this film. I am genuinely mystified as to why... The thing that bothered me the most (with the accents a very close 2nd) is how EVERY single character acted like some kind of low brow smart@ss; I mean EVERYONE spoke with this kind of condescending pseudo-clever way like, what, they're all supposed to be these droll tongue-in-cheek phony dry-humor people. Weird as all hell, honestly! Maybe the film is not meant to be taken seriously; I mean, how could it be? And the pathology guy, GEEZ, where do I start? And the first General going on and on about how William Hurt should have shaved...??!!! It's enough to make you wanna bloody hang yourself.

Oh well, I guess I'm just completely missing the appeal here; I truly DO wish someone could in detail honestly explain to me exactly what it is that people like about it. All I can blindly guess is that it is supposed to be funny... To me it's like, okay, if you're gonna do this intense murder thriller with people's faces ripped off, fine. If you are gonna do a clever parody or something like this, then that's fine too.... BUT MAKE IT TRULY CLEVER!!! Not this moronic watered down, aren't we all suavely above this, smirking, incomprehensible WHATEVER the hell this is...!

Anyway, thank you above poster for helping me at least to see that I am not the ONLY bloody person who found this completely baffling, but in the wrong way...

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Afraid I have to agree.
I'm a hugh Hurt fan..
When I saw this back in early 80's.. like it..
Now, well there are moments when it's very good. but more and more saw just how bad it was...
1st third of movie was ok..last 2/3's it just falls apart.. and the love relationship was as real as donald duck having the hots for daisy. No chemistry.. none.. poor lee marvin.. great actor in his day, but like alot of aging actors just making a paycheck for groceries and rent.
Another film where i learned more than I would've wanted to..

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Ditto your post, youaresqusihy, 100%. I thought Hurt incredible in Body Heat and some other works -- but he was just terrible in this, inauthentic is right! Of course, I also thought the dialogue horrible so I heard him mouthing stupid dialogue. Maybe he was too new/young to tell the director he was making changes to the dialogue. But just NOTHING rang true, nothing, nothing about it, not the story, not the actors (Lee was also horrible, I thought -- Brian was not horrible but just played the same role he always plays), the whole plot thing -- there was no reason to do what was done in Gorky Park given how things developed -- no big mystery, after all. I started wondering if it was the times -- like there were moments in Three Days of the Condor (which I loved) which were campy -- the whole Redford and Dunaway and how she takes photos of empty places, blah blah -- which really took away from that movie. Maybe early 80s was just a bad movie making time somehow (but then again, there was Body Heat).

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yeah. he was good to me, too.



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The problem is that everyone in the movie has a different accent and his stands out because it doesn't sound like anyone else's and has some American sounds occasionally. It's fine for 1983 I guess. Nice to see Senator/Emperor Palpatine.

Consistent accents are tough. HBO's Rome did a very good job with the accents by making everyone a Brit and having the upper class Romans have upper class English accents and giving the others lower class accents. And you also see a lot of movies doing subtitles now to avoid the whole accent issue.

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Maybe I'm too interested in the story to spend a lot of time fretting about accents, but I didn't have a problem with it at all.

It's also interesting that you say "it's fine for 1983". It's as if you think that aspect of movie-making has vastly improved and that 1983 is ancient.

I think it would have been painful to read as much dialogue as Arkady had in subtitles. I find it hard to see details in scenes if I'm too busy reading subtitles.

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Hmmm..., I think that maybe you have the key here Zap. Perhaps you are just supposed to enjoy the story and to those who are HUGELY annoyed by the writing, acting, attitudes, accents, should just try to ignore them. Now, I'm not meaning to be a smart@ss here, honestly; although I guess it does kinda sound like it. The STORY itself was very promising and had a lot of potential.

Now, despite my genuine tortured cry for understanding above here, I do admit that if you CAN ignore the films processes or manner or 'style', the story itself is truly intriguing about these people who were killed and had their faces ripped off and the suggestion of KGB involvement. But, for me personally the whole means of the film trying to get there was just WAY, WAY too painful for me. I have a feeling that I really should read the book which should just about completely solve all the things that REALLY bother me about the film.

It's a bloody shame too; I really do like Lee Marvin, but just hearing him talk caused extreme internal pain. And I LOVE Brian Dennehy, but I just COULDN'T for the life of me get that far...

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THANK YOU!!! He goes from American to English to Australian every other word and I love William Hurt!!! Altered States was the poo!!!! But alas, i suppose they all can't be winners. I had always thought this movie was supposed to be all that but i'm not liking it so far...

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I thought William Hurt looked right - the pallor was great, just like Arkady is described in the books. And maybe he could have lost a bit of weight, too. The accent thing didn't bother me at all. The only thing that bothered me is that I think he played Arkady a bit too cold - I always pictured him to be a bit more good-humoured and warm.

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I've never read the book, so I can't judge whether or not he accurately portrayed the character as he is written...

However I did not mind his accent and will even say he put on a good one and was more believable (to me) as a Russian then the other characters!

Maybe because it sounded unique, not quite British, American or anything else, with hints of Hurts orginal voice
(which is impossible for any actor to get rid of).

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I've always found William Hurt to be a rather wooden actor, and think that he was miscast in this film. The supporting cast: Marvin, Dennehy, and even minor characters played by Elphick (Pasha), McDiarmid (the anthropology professor) were much more memorable.

Come to think of it, the only performance by William Hurt that I can say was anywhere near good was "Kiss of the Spider Woman."

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Russians arent known for being overly expressive though so his casting in that sense was spot on.

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The first time I saw this film, I thought it bombed. That was back in the mid-eighties. And I liked the idea of a police story in an untypical location, especially in the inaccessible Soviet Union. It simply bombed. Years later a fellow turned me on to books-on-tape(I have a forty-two minute commute to work), and eventually I landed on the Martin Cruz Smith books and was introduced to Inspector Arkady Rienko. With some trepidition, I gave the film another shot. To my surprise, I enjoyed it immensely. My only problem was there were no sequels and no William Hurts' portraying Inspector Rienko. What a turn-around. To the Latheofheaven: thank you for a well-turned negative review of this film. We do not get those often and it is pleasing to hear the other side in a civilized manner. I thought Hurt's depiction of Rienko to be one of the better book-to-film character adaptations in film. Outwardly, Rienko is wooden and unimaginative. But as we read the Cruz Smith novels we find there is more to this man than his cold professionalism. I like him. And for those of you who do not care for Hurt's portrayal or for the film itself, that is okay. Afterall, initially I thought this to be a very stupid film. Now I enjoy watching it every couple of years.

cheers to you, mate

JKHolman

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I thought that it was an interesting and exciting movie.

I don't really care about the accents, and wouldn't have bothered seeing it, if there'd been subtitles.

Just like Hunt for Red October, I understand that in real-life they'd be speaking Russian. But it's made by and for English-speakers. So it works for me.

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He was OK. What was he supposed to do, speak Russian?

Good role, good acting, good script.

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I just have to say, I found that woman rather beautiful. Was it the thick eyebrows people didn't like? Really, I thought the film was OK if nothing special. Kept me entertained for the duration, which is about what I want in a movie. Also liked seeing Ian McDiarmid in a nod to M. Gerasimov, the famous facial forensic artist.

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I am watching the movie right now... and William Hurt's accent is driving me crazy. Sometimes its American sometimes its English.. sometimes its something else.
I know the film was made during the cold war but the characterization of the Soviet police was more than a little over the top...

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What do you know about Soviet Police? Tell us.

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I thought Hurt was excellent in the role. Superb novel and superb movie. Beautifully cast. I cannot believe how some people are trashing on this great film. I saw it when it was first released and I recently watched it again and it still holds up for me. I think I even like it better now.

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I disagree, i thought he was quite perfect as Renko - instead of doing a Russian accent he seemed quite good at getting the clipped Russian way of speaking across. (I tried learning Russian some years back). Shame they did not film any more of the Renko books.

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