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Gene Siskel's pick of most erotic scene


One episode of Siskel&Ebert long time ago, Gene Siskel said that his pick for the most erotic scene actually has no nudity. Then they show the scene with a woman doing some kind of aerobic dance with a mirror in the backgroud. I missed hearing what movie the scene was from. Now I know. I don't even think that was an erotic scene. The scene in which Rudolf Nureyev rub and poke the violin bow on Nastassja Kinski is definitely erotic.

What is the most erotic scene in a movie without nudity?

Another erotic scene without nudity I can think of is the food scene by the refrigerator in 9 1/2 weeks.

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Hmmm...

Probably the "almost" sex scene in The Big Easy. That was just some hot chemistry.

I masturbate a lot

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The scene where Nureyez plays Nastassja with a bow was definetly pretty erotic, I think it may have been ruined or less effective if she was nude.



The way I see it, is that we weren't retreating, we were just attacking in a new direction.

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That scene in a room with the mirror would've actually been erotic if they played some other song. The Shoop Shoop Song by Betty Everett is one fine tune, but that dance just didn't fit it. Besides, I'm not sure that those dance moves even fit Elizabeth's character. At least the way Kinski played it. But that's one of the problems I have with the film. In my opinion, Kinski is not the perfect fit for that role. She looks way too dove-like for it.

Nonetheless, the scene did serve well to develop character's erotic side and set the stage for the actually erotic scene – the one with the violin bow. Now that scene... really worked.


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Kinski is the film. Without her, you have a silly b-thriller.

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I think there's more to this film than just Kinski. It would've done similarly with number of other names. For example, with Ornella Mutti or Emmanuelle Béart. Now, if you said that Kinski is the film because all for which you care is ogling Kinski, then you can just as well say the same thing for any other film in which she appears, no matter how good or bad it is, in effect terminating any further discussion.



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No, it has nothing to do with oogling. The movie rests on her shoulders just as much as Last Tango in Paris rested on Brando. Bertolucci could have made that film with Jean-Louis Trintignant as he original planned, but it would have been a completely different film; the entire personality of the film flows from the personality of it star in these cases. That entire film is about Brando. Likewise, this film is about Kinski.

It could be called a vanity project if it wasn't initiated by a third party. In fact, it bears some relation to Von Sternberg's fetishization of Marlene Dietrich in those cycles of films.

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No, it has nothing to do with oogling

Oh?

But if we get to the end of your reply...

bears some relation to Von Sternberg's fetishization of Marlene Dietrich


If this isn't a Freudian slip, help me understand, how does a celluloid fetishization of a sexpot (say, in Blonde Venus or in The Devil is a Woman) work without relying on ogling?! In this picture, I will argue, casting Kinski is about Kinski's looks. The comparison with von Sternberg's fetishization projects (my hat off to you for that association) doesn't quite hold — because those Dietrich's films were about more than looks, as Marlene Dietrich melted the silver screen with her personality not at all any less than with her looks. You could've tried the comparison with the fetishization projects with M. Monroe and you would've still struck out, since MM's grand on-screen appeal came hand in hand with her equally grand off-screen drama. On the other hand, what did Kinsky in 1983 have aside from her looks that could've been used for fetishization? The off-screen story of hers was again — just some more ogling business. Fashion magazine covers. Oh, and she was a daughter of a good foreign actor starring in foreign productions, yay, big deal (I limit that qualification to The States). So, sure, going with Kinski was done because of the whole idolatry hokum in mind, but where I disagree with you is in your view that, first, the rest of this film is so bereft of anything laudable, and secondly, Kinski is so utterly a unique persona that creating the same hubbab of drooling over a siren would not've been achievable with some other intelligent beauty such as Emmanuelle Béart or, say, Paulina Porizkova (though, she also is too dove-like, to my mind). So, the exploitation as one of the main goals in Exposed? Yes. The exploitation impossible with anybody other than Kinski and Exposed consequently sucking? Resolute no.

I also disagree, very much, that Last Tango in Paris is about Brando. What it is about, is Bertolucci and Brando, or even Bertolucci, Brando and Maria Schneider (do read, or read again Pauline Kael's (in)famous review). Last Tango would've still been an important, masterful work of art had Jean-Louis Trintignant accepted the role, even if I do agree the entire film would've had a different personality. It wouldn't have been permeated by the aura of Brando but it would of Trintignant. So what? You're making the artfulness of a film rely overly on "its personality".

As Last Tango in Paris, so would Exposed still been a nice little movie had it fetishizd Béart. You, however, are saying that with anybody other than Kinski, Exposed would not only have changed its personality (I'd say, not even all that much), but would've been no more than a silly b-thriller! What even with one Nureyev and his character's lines some of which are quite memorable, and with Keitel, and with the erotic scenes with Béart? Nothing but a silly b-thriller? Now that I find — silly.


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