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A gun is not a Christ like thing to ask for and get for Christmas.


The little sh!t wants a violent tool of destruction for Christmas.
Not fitting at all.

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Keep in mind that the movie takes place in the 1940s. Masculinity was seen very differently at the time. Men were getting military drafted, so boys were allowed to romanticize the idea of a gun and being able to shoot someone down. Once the hippy era of the 1960s took place, gender roles began to become equal. Masculine behaviors were then seen as causing a negative impact in society.

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Yeah see if the movie was remade and set in present day, little Ralphie would have to ask for an easy bake oven and a box of tampons.

You should have taken the money. - Robert McCall

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Your response to the OP is one the best I've ever seen on IMDb. Keep vanquishing those easily-offended, entitlement-minded, everyone-deserves-a-ribbon-just-for-showing-up SJWs!

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Two thumbs up!

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gender roles began to become equal. Masculine behaviors were then seen as causing a negative impact in society.


Lol, oh yes, those traditional gender roles were such a negative thing, we are so much better off today with all these wussy snowflakes running around.

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It's a lot more complicated than to say "Things were better back then. Let us go back to separating masculine and feminine behaviors." I used to be an exchange student in Korea. The values that they hold are reminiscent of how we thought in the pre-1960s. Korean men are known for being overly-macho and lack displaying emotions. The negative impact that it has on Korean women is that they are often ignored when they hold leadership roles. If the manager is a woman and the assistant manager is a man, everyone just addresses questions and concerns to the man and walk past the woman. How do you suggest to find a happy medium between traditional values and liberal values?

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I don't believe in liberal values, and I've never ignored a woman just because she is a woman, nor have I ever met anyone who would.

The problem with "liberal" mentalities is you don't want to accept the reality that men and women are different: physically, mentally, and emotionally.

Despite what you seem to think men in general are not interested in displaying emotions to the extent women do, and women in general are not interested in leadership roles.

This is not an insult, nor is it a problem. Some women can lead better than some men, and they will, it's just most women are not interested in, nor suited for it.

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Excuse me, I will raise two points of order over your response. First of all, I disagree with how you dismiss my example of women in leadership feeling ignored because it merely has not occurred around you. Thus, you are having a belief that if something is not true in YOUR reality, it is not true in THE reality. I gave you an example of when it occurred in my reality when I lived in another country. However, you then turned around and said "No, no, no. That is not what happens."

Secondly, I disagree with you saying that women are generally not interested in leadership positions. What has you say that? What research or statistic shows that women prefer to hold subservient roles? I think there is no clear conclusion on whether men or women are naturally adept at being a leader. It is up to the individual person. Don't make it an overall sweep to say that one sex is better at managing a situation.

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Lol. I'll give you credit, you are not as nuts as most feminists, but you still push much of their BS. I am not in any leadership role, I don't feel "subservant" to anyone, your problem here is all in your own head.

You gave me an example of another country that I don't live in so therefore what is your point? I have no possible way to change the whole world, and neither do you, so your example is irrelevant to this conversation.

If women were interested in leadership roles they would be in leadership roles. Women make up 51% of the population, if they are "being ignored" it is the fault of their fellow sisters who could easily win every election, but apparently not all women feel they are oppressed nor do they wish to be in leadership roles.

Exceptions to the rule will always apply of course, but it does not change the rule, you are dong the classic straw man, I don't say all men are this, or all women are that, but in general, that is the tendency.

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Excuse me, I am not a feminist. I have been outspoken on how I disagree with how feminists push for legislation against female circumcision, but they do not say anything about male circumcision. How Susan B Anthony demanded for the right to vote, but she did not ask for the removal of military drafting of men. I said this in the Emma Watson message board on this site, and I then got bombarded with a bunch of troll PMs of how dare I refer to myself as a progressive but question the feminist movement.

What struck a negative chord with me is just the dismissive attitude you had in your post where you stated a few times the line of "I personally have never seen that. Therefore, it does not exist. I can not accept what you have witnessed." That indicates to me that you are self-centered which correlates back to what I have against the extreme feminist movement. You are inadvertently feeding into what you are against by the "I just care about my own self-interest" attitude.

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No, you're bringing up examples from Korea, which have nothing to do with me. Give me examples in modern day America where you can prove a woman was ignored just because she was a woman.

Kudos to you for at least being consistent on some of the stuff.

The issue with you "progressives" is you can only cite things that happened in the past, or in other countries. We can learn from the past, and other nations, but there's nothing to be gained by dwelling on it.

I do what I can in my community, that is about all anyone can do, it's not "self-centered" it's realistic, and if everyone - especially feminists and progressives - were more like that we wouldn't have half the problems we do. Sorry, but there's not a single thing I can do about Korea, you're welcome to try all you like tho, maybe you'll surprise me.

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No, you are not being realistic. Your logic is flawed with your belief that if you have never experienced something, you have never personally witnessed it, or it has occurred in another part of the world, it does not exist. You say that we can not cite things from the past. What the hell is the point of history classes then? It is vital for humanity that we look at our past actions and try to improve future situations based on what we have learned.

Yes, I do find you selfish based on that you remain hanging on to the flawed logic that I have outlined. I guarantee you that this is not the first time that people have explained a problem that they are going through, and you then act blasé about it because it is not something that is important in YOUR life. That is what people do not like about the conservative mindset.

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Your logic is flawed with your belief that if you have never experienced something, you have never personally witnessed it, or it has occurred in another part of the world, it does not exist.


I never said any of that. You are desperately clinging to that ridiculous straw man for some reason that baffles me. At any rate, I didn't even bother to read past that, we are going around in circles and you'd likely continue it for days. Have a Happy New Year!

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Uh-huh, I can tell that you are too unintelligent to read entire posts. Thank you for your false New Year gratitude. I am not a fake person, so I will not wish you something that I do not feel in my heart. However, you have chosen the path of stupidity and faux feelings. Good for you.

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May I just say that political correctness drives me nuts? lol

Ralphie wanted the gun to shoot targets, not people! And in his fantasy world, he was wearing all white (the hero) who was defending his family against a gang of evil marauders. He didn't dream about shooting up his school.

Guns are defensive weapons for moral people. Men have always defended their families. Well at least they did in the old days before the radical, crazy a@@, bitter, man hating feminists had them de-balled and otherwise emasculated. (and yes, I am female)

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So what, who cares

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How many people do you think he could kill with one of the least powerful BB guns? Perhaps he should've asked for some sports equipment. Maybe a baseball bat which a person could actually kill someone with.


He's taking the knife out of the Cheese!
Do you think he wants some cheese?


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or some golf clubs.



🎄Season's Greetings!🎄

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Have to disagree.
People don't typically exchange gifts on Veterans' Day. So sorry that wymyn freak out over such things. They should be forced to go out and hunt for dinner with their bare hands.





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Its quite fitting, as even Christ knew there were times when violence was necessary. Remember the money changer's tables at the temple? Plus, he wanted it for self defense, which is a good thing; it shows a desire for self reliance.

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Ralphie was going to use the bb gun to shoot targets and cans, not people or animals. He fantasized about shooting the bullies, but there was no indication that he was planning to do that. Prior to the 90's, kids settled their differences by having fist fights, not by shooting each other with bb or real guns.

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Prior to the 90's, kids settled their differences by having fist fights, not by shooting each other with bb or real guns.

He never fantasized about shooting bullies. He fantasized about shooting dangerous bandits.
I might also add that before the 1990s, kids played games like cops and robbers, war, and cowboys and indians. They played at defending themselves.

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Oh God..... hahaha

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Please remember the movie takes place in the late 1940s when firearms were romanticized to the infinite power.

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I don't think guns were romanticized, but they were understood to be instruments for hunting or defending one's country or person.

I had several cap pistols and a BB gun when I was a kid. No one was "triggered" when I wore my 6 shooter on my hip. When I was 12 I received a Marlin bolt action .22 for Christmas which I still have.

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If they were romanticized as much as you say, then perhaps nobody would have been telling Ralphie that he would "shoot your eye out kid".

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Jesus Christ would be a lifetime member of the NRA.

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"If you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one."

-- Jesus Christ, Luke 22:36

And for good measure:

"Praise be to the LORD my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle."

-- King David, Palm 144:1

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I wonder if they could make a Christmas Movie where a girl wants a BB Gun? it doesn't have to be a remake or anything it doesn't have to have things like a gay best friends or gender fluid she could even want a BB gun Because of A Christmas Story it could take place in the late 80's and 90s because smart phones and high-speed internet ruins Christmas.

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Or a film about Annie Oakley? She used real rifles, not air rifles.

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I love when people who know nothing of the Bible try to use it against people to advance their Godless Agenda

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But it's hard to argue with direct quotes from the Bible.

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It's very easy to argue against those quotes. It's just a book; freedom of the press and religion means it should hold no sway over you.

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I can't even remember why the hell I wrote that--I'm an atheist! I must have been kidding.

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