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better love story: Schwarzanegger in Total Recall or RG in Breathless?

posted 9 years ago by nishivijay
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Recap:

Richard Gere in Breathless: A pretty boy who's not articulate enough to explain comics at a comic book conventions and frustrated because he's always getting punked, even by kids... but he has points he just can't say... he's obsessed with a comic book where the lead is in love with this woman that is unattainable so he's banging broads left and right but he's still in love with that woman... Remember what we see about the movie his life. After this movie is told, you got the whole story. He impregnates a chick, and he knows, so he has to see her, they meet, have a romance, and he dies after she pledges her loyalty.

So if Gere is relating to the comic book guy, she could have been the chick in his head or he just could have known like he knows that chick in his head.

Quid in Recall: He is in love with a woman in a fantasy that is either our reality or if not a reality in a quantam dimension. He uses a hypnosis machine to meet her, and he ends up with her. But now he might be in a coma on earth to tap into a quantam reality or that world is our world. The wife he has in our future world or in the quantum reality, in other words in both dimensions shares platonic love with him and they do all the dirty stuff but without the passion. But she's really hot and dirty though. But there's no way that's the ONE he's *in love* with because he's not in sex with.

Anyway, which is the better love story? It was hard for me to think it th rough total recall is my favorite movie so i was too enamored to be impartial. Needed time to process the situation.

I have a hard time expressing my feelings in a way that they are honored like richard gere but in the end either way he won big -someone important to him heard him and honored him - and hypnosis never worked for me... So I could relate to Gere more. It's a pretty big win when you think it's not just chicks, he can't even get his feelings out talking comics... But at least I get my point accross, it's just the feelings... He was a real loser though. But not at the end of the movie in that regarding getting heard. It's a great way to win when that's your problem. Plus he was living self destructively on purpose OUT OF GUILT for involantary manslaughter. He was wreckless. He could get himself killed. But he could get others killed too, he is still who he is and he knows he's guilty. He was planning to die but for purpose - he deserves it. If she wasn't some imaginary chick either way she was more important and some chick in his head though. They were in love. And she gave so much of the real person. Quad I don't know... assuming whether or not that quantum dimension is our dimension is an unknown, there would just be so much mental shock either way. That hypnosis would have *beep* up his head. If he was that spy he would have all these false memories that he was a construction worker, that's the "less" shocking ending.... it would still be extremely hard to deal with all that... but then again i am not an inteller steller super spy so what do i know?

My personal winner: Richard Gere in breathless, cuz he's in love with that chick that he met before he demanded an execution. That's what's important not whether or not she's some chick in his head. Quad he has some fantasy but he's not getting it on earth with some super hot super sexy would have been polyamorist at best because the sexual attraction is not there. ANd some fantasy world hypnosis never worked for me so i can't imagine it being that that that real. I have intuition and instincts but personally i've never been able to get hypnosis or lucid dreaming to work so i can't relate to the concept that much. i just really think it would be cool if i could. i need to see an actual hypnotist or something. when i was twelve i asked people if i could try to hypnotise them and i just made stuff up and it didn't seem hard but i wanted to be able to do that on me, that stuff was more of an experiment if you're not trying to be a stage hypnotist or something and i never really could get it to work on me personally. Maybe feel something but not that much matrix type simulation of our world like it's really happening. But a person good at lucid dreaming might be able to relate to TR more. Even if she ends up being a real person in our world (and we're just not interstellar spies) what would that mean? I don't know but Arnold Schwarzanegger impregnated two women and claimed that he lucid dreamed about the woman he married before he met her. So someone that understands hypnosis and lucid dreaming would understand that kind of stuff on a more mundane (but still extraordinary for our understanding) level.

[–] Badlands1 8 years ago

Why would you even compare Gere's romance movie to an action movie? Action sci-fi fans will love TR, romance fans will love Breathless. They don't cross.

[–] nishivijay 8 years ago

richard gere is in love with an archetype. schwarzenegger is either in love with a past love almost like a past life love. but gere's love for the woman he impregnated transcended the archetype, she may or may not have fit perfectly as if she was always calling him but either way he knew. schwarzenegger his wife sharon stone was polyamarous mentally anyway so it kind of makes it tough to really judge him. the realms of fantasy and reality are blurred but the ***key key key reason for the comparison** is **being love with some fantasy woman in your head**.

look at how gere talks about comics. he's trying to justify a dude banging many bades but in the name of some godess archetype or something like that. i kind of figure that was him but when he meets the woman he impregnated he knows (i've been in these situations and you would know). i'm just confused as to whether the woman was an extension of the archetype or a replacement but he was not mentally polyamorous.

i'm not saying schwarzenegger on earth if that was all he materially was materially speaking was a two timer but the wife thinks he would start getting tendencies. it's her more. she's leading the way to this mental affair cuz it turns her on and then she gets jealous and they have souless sex because she's trying to get past something while doing more at the same time. again not actually polyamarous but when you're not that physically just mentally you pretend so much that you simulate it to understand ti.

[–] Badlands1 8 years ago

Yes but one is an action movie with blood guts and gunfire every 3mins, and one is a romance with only dialogue. No comparison.

[–] nishivijay 8 years ago

but how many romance movies wrestle with a guy being in love with an archetype in his head? if you watch closely that's why gere is defending that comic big hero with the big libido banging all these chicks in the name of some goddess archetype in another galaxy.

quaid is in love with a fantasy of someone most close to a past life lovve but his wife either created that compulsion or this tendency was the source of the attraction.

but the profound thing is that quaid is a MENTALLY polyamorous person (but it's actually like he's the guy that can go either way as far as guys go) as is his blonde interest (but she needs it for sex) not the hooker; gere might have been dreaming of that woman all the time OR that woman replaced a dream.

that is something very peculiar about both of these movies. if it's about heart and not presentation it is a worthy comparison cuz it increases understanding of both films.

the irony about the stone character is that she may never cheat, have certain morals even leave him right away if he cheated, but the mental pain she would go through from infidelity is blunted or processed in some unexpected manner just like the woman she is pretending to be or fantasizing she is in her head. it kind of makes the point that the difference between fantasy and reality are relatively petty compared to how wide the gap appears to be on the surface. but i guess the point can also be there that you can have what you crave within certain boundaries so it can work the other way too, be a message on how not to be a cheater but satisfy certain inner cravings. that way you can be who you are and who you should be without as much corruption.

anyway she has to imagine multiple partners to dial down the love during sex. what she fears is that intimate sex that makes it hard to talk and be nice and give all the affection lori gives quaid the rest of the day. i think either way she really did love quaid in a way for her (it's hard to say who she is and the level of intensity) but that is her fear - making love sucking up all the love and affection the rest of the time. so she needs to find a way in her head to make the sex more lustful and more plutonic to get through it and that's a big part of why she has innate polyamorous tendencies regardless of how she programs her brain to mitigate them.

[–] Rajesh_pimp06 8 years ago

Why would you even compare Gere's romance movie to an action movie?

Exactly! I was thinking the same and baffled by the comparison.

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[–] Badlands1 8 years ago

Every "expert" is entitled to their opinion on the internet, no matter how nuts..

I just hate when they don't summarize, and type long multiple paragraphs.

it's like my father; he would take three hours to explain how to turn a light bulb.