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This is the best version!


I have to say after having seen the other 2 versions, and having recently read the book, this is indeed the best!

Fear not the 1980s BBC scenery and set design--this was excellent--not stagey like P&P and Emma from the 80s BBC.

As some other people have pointed out, it was true to the book. I thought all the characters were excellent, save for Mrs Bertram--what was up with that little girl voice and extremely flighty manner? I was surprised she managed to snag Mr Bertram at all.

They also filmed a lot of outdoor scenes and in different areas, it flowed exceedingly well.

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I do prefer the P&P80 production, but this is definitely the best MP around.

One nitpick though -- there is no "Mrs. Bertram" or "Mr. Bertram." Their names are "Sir Thomas Bertram" and "Lady Bertram."

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I like this version as well. Although I didn't care as much for the rendering of Lady Bertram in this one as in the 2007 version with Jemma Redgrave. It is not the fault of Angela Pleasance who did a fine job being what the director wanted...someone out of touch with reality. For me, it just didn't add to the story. Aunt Norris in this version drives me absolutely crazy, she's so mean. But again, Anna Massey did an excellent job, because I take it that's what the director wanted to portray, a self-righteous but mean person.

my god its full of stars

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I like this version as well. Although I didn't care as much for the rendering of Lady Bertram in this one as in the 2007 version with Jemma Redgrave. It is not the fault of Angela Pleasance who did a fine job being what the director wanted...someone out of touch with reality. For me, it just didn't add to the story.

I think this (1983) Lady Bertram is closer to the character in Austen's novel. While I love Jemma Redgrave's acting in just about everything she does, I'm not crazy about her Lady Bertram because she's written so differently from the character in the novel. It's not Redgrave's fault that the character was rewritten. She did very well with what she was given. It just wasn't Lady Bertram.

Aunt Norris in this version drives me absolutely crazy, she's so mean. But again, Anna Massey did an excellent job, because I take it that's what the director wanted to portray, a self-righteous but mean person.

However, this is the way Norris is written in the novel. She's supposed to be mean and self-righteous. (She's supposed to "drive us nuts"!) Heck, in the novel she's almost hoping that Sir Thomas will die on his return trip from Antigua so that she (Norris) will have the pleasure of being the "strong one" and breaking the news to the rest of the family. She actually plans it all out in her head!

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And then she gets upset when he turns up alive and she's not the first person to see him. She is evil and twisted and a bully. Some people just have no redeeming features and she is one of them.

I just finished re-watching this adaptation yesterday morning, and I finished a re-read of the book earlier in the week. This adaptation is so close to the book, with only a couple of deviations. Unfortunately, 2 of the scenes from the book that I noticed were missing were scenes I really liked and which I thought added to the story: when Sir Thomas asks Maria if she is really sure she wants to marry Mr. Rushworth and when Fanny discovers that Mary/Henry's necklace is too large for William's cross but Edmund's chain fits perfectly.

http://currentscene.wordpress.com/tag/jane-austen-odyssey/

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Re: Mrs. Norris, I read somewhere that JK Rowling, author of the Harry Potter books, named Filch's cat Mrs. Norris in reference to Mansfield Park's Mrs. Norris, always snooping around, nagging, spying, and scolding.

Julie-30 wrote, "Unfortunately, 2 of the scenes from the book that I noticed were missing were scenes I really liked and which I thought added to the story: when Sir Thomas asks Maria if she is really sure she wants to marry Mr. Rushworth and when Fanny discovers that Mary/Henry's necklace is too large for William's cross but Edmund's chain fits perfectly."

I agree, especially the scene where Sir Thomas asks Maria about Mr. Rushworth. This follows his observations that Mr. Rushworth is pretty dull and shallow, and he questions whether Maria will be happy with him. The scene is important because it shows Sir Thomas succumbing to the temptation to marry Maria off for advantage and money, even though he can see she does not love Rushworth. It shows a flaw in Sir Thomas's character and contributes to the problem Fanny later has with Mr. Crawford. It also emphasizes how mistaken Maria was, to marry Rushworth out of spite. Jane Austen emphasizes both of these characters' flaws in the book, and you get a stronger sense of doom building up.

However in general I love the characterizations and the faithfulness to the book; this is the best adaptation by far.

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Great discussion; I'm enjoying reading.

It also emphasizes how mistaken Maria was, to marry Rushworth out of spite.

I've never felt that Maria married Rushworth out of spite (i.e. as a sort of malicious retaliation aimed at Crawford). She marries Rushworth because she doesn't want Crawford to think that he got to her, that because of him, she wouldn't be able to go through with her marriage to Rushworth. (Not out of spite with malicious retaliation toward Crawford, but in spite of what Crawford did to her.)

But even more important, she marries Rushworth to regain the freedom she enjoyed while Sir Thomas was in Antigua.

To her the conference closed as satisfactorily as to him. She was in a state of mind to be glad that she had secured her fate beyond recall: that she had pledged herself anew to Sotherton; that she was safe from the possibility of giving Crawford the triumph of governing her actions, and destroying her prospects; and retired in proud resolve, determined only to behave more cautiously to Mr. Rushworth in future, that her father might not be again suspecting her.

Had Sir Thomas applied to his daughter within the first three or four days after Henry Crawford's leaving Mansfield, before her feelings were at all tranquillised, before she had given up every hope of him, or absolutely resolved on enduring his rival, her answer might have been different; but after another three or four days, when there was no return, no letter, no message, no symptom of a softened heart, no hope of advantage from separation, her mind became cool enough to seek all the comfort that pride and self revenge could give.

Henry Crawford had destroyed her happiness, but he should not know that he had done it; he should not destroy her credit, her appearance, her prosperity, too. He should not have to think of her as pining in the retirement of Mansfield for him, rejecting Sotherton and London, independence and splendour, for his sake. Independence was more needful than ever; the want of it at Mansfield more sensibly felt. She was less and less able to endure the restraint which her father imposed. The liberty which his absence had given was now become absolutely necessary. She must escape from him and Mansfield as soon as possible, and find consolation in fortune and consequence, bustle and the world, for a wounded spirit. Her mind was quite determined, and varied not (ch. 21).
http://www.mollands.net/etexts/mansfieldpark/mp21.html
Fanny and Edmund even discuss how restrained the household is [again] after Sir Thomas' return:
"Do you think so?" said Fanny: "in my opinion, my uncle would not like any addition. I think he values the very quietness you speak of, and that the repose of his own family circle is all he wants. And it does not appear to me that we are more serious than we used to be--I mean before my uncle went abroad. As well as I can recollect, it was always much the same. There was never much laughing in his presence; or, if there is any difference, it is not more, I think, than such an absence has a tendency to produce at first. There must be a sort of shyness; but I cannot recollect that our evenings formerly were ever merry, except when my uncle was in town. No young people's are, I suppose, when those they look up to are at home".

"I believe you are right, Fanny," was his reply, after a short consideration. "I believe our evenings are rather returned to what they were, than assuming a new character. The novelty was in their being lively. Yet, how strong the impression that only a few weeks will give! I have been feeling as if we had never lived so before" (ch. 21).


IIRC, think the 1999 film, though, does portray Maria's determination to marry Rushworth right away as an act of spite (with ill-will toward Crawford).

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This is an old thread but thought I'd rsp anyways.

However, this is the way Norris is written in the novel.


And that's why I like the other one better as far as Aunt Norris goes. It is possible to enjoy a little less meanness in the world...even in fictional stories.

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Totally agree, although the 1999 film and 2007 itv production are only loosely based on the novel and an enjoyable watch if you don't mind the story being messed around with.
This version has excellent performances in all the main roles and sticks faithfully to the novel, the 1980's low budget doesn't detract in my opinion but I could understand why it may put some off.

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