This site says that "The New Scooby and Scrappy-Doo Show" was from 1983. I remember when this show first debuted on ABC.
In fact, I used to have a tape from the year they advertised it's debut, while recording shows that were in syndication at the time.
This final Scrappy show actually started on September 20, 1986.
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This page/board is for the first season of the show which brought Daphne back and reinstated the mystery aspect.
This is part of the ones that get confusing because some people consider the next incarnation just the next season of this show and some people see it as a whole new series in itself (see issues with the previous Scooby and Scrappy syndication versions, Heathcliff and Dingbat/Marmaduke, and Justice Legaue and JLU)
This page from what i can tell is the first show/season before they brought back Velma and Freddy on occasion and changed the opening and title.
I refuse to argue on IMDB until the general populous actually uses their brains
The incarnations of the show,as produced by the studio and intended as the same story arcs are as follows:
incarnation 1: 1969-1970
incarnations 2: 1972-73
incarnation 3: 1976-78 ( back then they packaged the show differently each year,in 76 the ''Scooby Doo/Dynomutt Hour'',with its own title card and intro
In 1977 ''Scooby's All-Star Laff-a-Lympics'', with its own title and intro.
1978, season 3 - first 9 episodes were originally broadcast not as part of the 10:00 AM EST ''Scooby's All-Stars'' block (which initially aired first and second season reruns,in sept-oct 78), but at 8:00 AM under the ''Scooby-Doo, Where Are You!'' title and utilizing the original 1969 opening credits. This earlier broadcast was canceled after 9th episode, and the remaining 7 episodes were aired during the ''Scooby's All-Stars'' block(yet another new title card&intro,no longer the 1977 one)
In 1980,for syndication, however,they created the ''Scooby-Doo Show'' title and song intro,that is now widely known, but these were the same 1976-78 episodes.
incarnation 4: 1979 ''Scooby-Doo and Scrappy-Doo'' - lasted 1 season,still had Fred/Vilma as part of the team.
incarnation 5: 1980-1982 - Same as with the 1976-78 series, this one was part of the ''Scooby-Doo/Richie Rich Show'',with its own intro and title card for 2 seasons in 1980 and 1981. In 1982,despite changing the title card and song intro,due to being put into a new animation block ''Scooby&Scrappy Doo/Puppy Hour'', it was still season 3, produced with the same timeline following the 1980-81 episodes.
incarnation 6: the 1983 ''The New Scooby and Scrappy Doo Show'' had 2 seasons, this time however,unlike the 70s when the title& intro song changed due to being part of Dynomutt/Captain Caveman/Laff-A-Lympics block of shows, and in 80s part of the block with Richie Rich and Puppy Hour shows. Unlike then, the 1984 ''New Scooby-Doo Mysteries'' was on its own,just spiced it up by using Jacksons ''Thriller'' video popularity from Dec 1983 as inspiration for its new intro song + title change.
incarnation 7: ''13 ghosts of Scooby-Doo'' - 1985
incarnation 8: ''A pup named scooby-Doo'' - 1988-1991
incarnation 9: ''What's new scooby-Doo'' - 2002-2005
incarnation 10 : the 2008 version,get a clue ?
incarnation 11: the 2010-2013 series
The 1977-83 seasons are the ones many mix up stuff with,spanning incarnation 3 through 6
That kind of logic doesn't fly for me. An incanrtion should be when a new show was created. The problem is that they rearranged those outdated block shows into their own segments for syndication.
But that being said I'm not sure why people think The New Scooby Doo and Scrappy Doo Show and The New Scooby Doo Mysteries should only count as one incarnation.
Wikipedia is the only place that goes like that. IMDB, BCDB, Scooby Addicts and the Scooby wiki all consider them separate shows. They changed the name, the title and slightly altered the premise. They weren't repackaged together for syndication like the Scooby Doo Show and Scooby and Scrappy Doo were.
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A new show created,as you put it,is exactly what happened in 1976,and went on udner the same exact production/staff and continuity of previous seasons up until season 3 in 1978,despite yearly changes of the blocks Scooby ran under,be it Dynomutt, Laff-A-Lympics or Scoobys All-Stars. The block shifted,and hence the new intro each year,but the episode production of the same show was the same,this is documented fact.
1979 was a 1-season show, adding Scrappy. Its where they made Scooby start walking on 2 legs,talk more etc. Also when they decided to leave Fred and Velma behind once the show wrapped. Based on the popularity of Scrappy(without that show Scooby would not have gotten all the versions it did in the 80s,the ratings were very low before the 79 season came)
As for why people think it ? It's a documented fact, the studio and production company ordered a 2nd season with the continuation in tact, and the writing/directing staff were told it's a direct continuation,season 2. Same as was the case in 76-78. In this sense it's not a matter of opinion,that's what happened and was produced as. The changing of the intros was a regular thing done with many shows back in the 70s,80s and 90s,even with some live-action shows.
The 1985 season of 13 ghosts was a new production of 1 season total,and was cut short due to low ratings in late 85. Which is why it was the last of the classic Scooby shows(until the kiddie Scooby in 88)
IMDB has lots of mistakes,as does wikipedia(it can be changed by anyone after all)
Those who consider them separate shows simply don't know how the production of the shows actually went. THe intro change wasn't a sign of a new show at all back in those days.
the 76-78 3 seasons were all obvious continuity ,they even reference season 1 events in season 2 and season 3, yet the titles and intros of each season were different !! The blocks changed,but the episode production remained the same,continuous order of episodes. In 1980 they created an intro for those 3 seasons,for rerun purposes,the ''The Scooby Doo Show''.
Well thank you for clarifying that your stance is based only on the official production references. Which you are right would be a fact able to be validated.
However it is also quite clear that despite that, far more often by people cataloging and airing the shows that they do not go based off the production numbers.
As regardless both our points stand on their own. As while I wouldn't consider them one "incarnation" because of the changes, even though that would be in contradiction to production.
But as I said this specific board is indeed only for "The New Scooby and Scrappy Show" or "season 1". The board for "The New Scooby Doo Mysteries" or "season 2" is here:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086767/board/?ref_=tt_bd_sm
But now my next question is if it was the production code that led to the "incarnation 3" and "incarnation 5" to be packaged together. For what reason in the 90s weren't these two put together?
The New Scooby Doo Mysteries had regular rotation in Scooby blocks but the 1983 episodes weren't ever included in that run. I wouldn't get to see most of them until the early 2000s, when they were put in their own slot for a while on weekday mornings.
I remember always being fascinated that the Wedding Belle Boos vhs tape had a different intro to show(or season according to production) at the time i had never seen before on tv.
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All you say is true regarding the airing, I was borin in 1989,so I remember seeing Scooby in the 90s,the 84 intro and episodes,but I dont know if they included the 83 episodes alongside that 84 intro of if they didnt show those episodes of 83 at all. The reruns of the 76-78 3 season,each with its own title card and intro and block yearly, in 1980 was packaged as the proper 1 show it was,with the new scooby doo show'' intro. 80-83 episodes,the ones originally with Richie Rich/Scooby intro and Puppy Hour/Scooby intro in 83, were packaged under the 1979 Show title for some reason...even thoguh the 79 show was its own production,lasting that 1 season only. But they played the 79-83 episodes(uncle Yabba etc shorts), 4 seasons of 2 different shows total, together under the 79 intro card. I assume they felt it sufficed that Scrappy was in all of those seasons and Fred/Velma werent(aside from some episodes in the 79 show), so to simplify it,for airing reasons,they did so. Maybe that was the reason for ignoring the 83 intro,or it was an unpopular season back when it originally aired and they decided they wouldnt show it again ? Or maybe some licensing problems ? Dont know.
THe problem with studios also is that for ex the Dynomutt/Scooby Doo hour original intro ,theres no copy of it,maybe not even a negative remaining,someone on youtube had a lousy copy of it,from a tae recording in 77. Cartoon Network bought most of Hanna barbera cartoons in the early-mid 90s, and under new management who knows what decsisions they made and why.
I remember this cartoon when I was a kid. I remembered it aired on ABC on Saturday mornings. I always looked forward to watching it; one of my favorites for sure!!!!
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