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Do they both die at the end? I assumed that they do but the more I though about it the more I wasn't sure. If they can fly and do all sorts of crazy anti-phyics stuff than would the chinese guy just bleed to death?
If I had to bet I would say yes they both die but I was just curious as to what other thought?

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I have no clue! One guy loses his arm and fingers, and the other one is just injured. Im still not sure what the plot was exactly. But i still think that the movie rocks my socks.

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The japanese guy gets stabbed through the body. I think he dies because that's a pretty serious wound. Notice that he stabs his sword through his foot and into the stone. This is why he stood on the cliff at the end and through the credits. He could have died but would not fall right away. But it's the chinease guy that makes me wonder. He loses his arm and would (for a normal human) bleed to death as well. I didn't see him stab himself in the foot to be able to stand up. But then why was he standing up just like the japanese guy at the end. And ofcourse it's not like these are normal humans. It's a fantasy movie so I'm really confused if either (or both) really die at the end.

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I think the Japanese duelist definitely dies; he is stabbed in the stomach, flinches, tries to regain his composure, and fails, stumbling as the Chinese duelist walks away. He then proceeds to stab himself in the foot, to face Japan (probably), and to die standing up.

Here's why I think (or want to believe that) the Chinese duelist survives. Nearly the entire movie he talks about how unnecessary the duel is, and how he doesn't understand why they have to fight. Remember, he has that monologue about how it's sad to be a martial artist; if you're the best, people will always be challenging you, and if you're not, then you die. So in the final battle, he loses his fingers on his left hand, and loses his right arm completely. He can no longer hold a sword. No one will expect him to continue fighting after that. These battle wounds insure that he can never duel again. In short, he got what he wished for, and can honorably give up the martial artist's burden.

It's not that much of a stretch for someone to survive losing just an arm. He is seen walking away from the duel site, which I interpreted as his returning to his home. I know there are many fans of this movie who insist that the duelists are equal in skill, but I don't think there is enough evidence to support that claim either way. It would be a mistake to include cliche character dynamics from other movies in this way. As for my point of view, Hashimoto may have been Japan's best at the time, but he was no "Lord of the Sword."

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It is my opinion that both die. I say this because when Hashimoto and Chingwan go to visit the graves of the past fighter Chingwan says to Hasimoto "someday the next fighters to enter this contest will be standing her at OUR graves".

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It is my opinion that Hashimoto dies, facing his home country, on his feet rather than on his knees.
I think like already mentioned that the chinese fighter will go on, unable to fight again because of not being able to hold a sword. I think it can be interpreted many ways.


Lee W

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You people forget that the Chinese fighter was stabed to, durring the fight, so my guess is that they both die.

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he can always turn into a one armed swordsman...maybe put some tape around his hand so it wont fall off?

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hahaha good idea jdk

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"he can always turn into a one armed swordsman..."

Yeah, but don't forget he lost all his fingers on his left hand, so he can't hold a sword either one. Maybe he should just lop the left one off completely and use his feet like one of the crippled masters (he could even leave a flexible stub as that was shown to come in handy).

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The Samurai stabs his own foot as to make it so he can not fall to the ground. I am under the impression the Chinese warrior walked far enough away to die alone in peace.

If you remember earlier, both warriors were looking deep into the ocean - they were possibly looking for their homelands.

ry

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Are you guys kidding? The Japanese guy obviously won. The Chinese dude barely touched him. Almost all of the Jap's wounds were purposely self-inflicted. Why? Because he's such a f ucking badass! The Chinese fighter, on the other hand, was a total pussy and lost the duel, along with his hand and arm, as a result (after all, he didn't even want to fight in the first place, he'd rather play with that stupid asian chick's hair like the little putz he is).

In the end, the Chinese warrior walks away in shame, unable to continue the duel, defeated... while his Japanese adversary stares off into the ocean in victory, blood-soaked and proud. He stabs himself in the foot not to maintain balance, but to prove just how awesome he really is (As if his manliness wasn't already established earlier, the movie tops it off with him stabbing himself in the foot just because he can!)

Goddamn this movie rules.

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in the end the chinese guy can walk(away) while the japanese guy can barely stand.

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I would prefer that both ended up dieing so that it would show how equal they were but I believe that the Chinese guy survived whale the Japanese guy died. This is because the film seems to be at lest a little prejudice in how it portrays Chinese as opposed to Japanese and the film makes the audience dislike the Japanese guy by having him kill the priest. If the Chinese guy lived and the Japanese guy died it would go with the whole flower symbolism thing also.

Remember this: "Be it a rock or a grain of sand, in water they sink as the same."

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Hashimoto is credited first, obviously he wins

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I think the Chinese guy win.. I mean, he can walk while the Japanes can barely stand.. Ahaha..


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21-7-2007

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I just watch the movie again..
The Handsome *blush* Chinese live... hehehe.. So cool!

The movie kick ass ^^


"Look...at...me..."
21-7-2007

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they both lived, because come on, I love those guys!


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The way I saw it the chinease guy won although it was a pretty piss poor victory at that. He was totally maimed into and would be unable to hold a sword ever again. So he won and is the best kung fu master but can never again practise is.

The samurai guy looked to have a pretty fatal wound.

basically theyre both just pussies tho, pff an arm, TIS BUT A FLESH WOUND.

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My take on it is that both win and lose. They kept talking about a fair fight. Remember the Chinese saves the Japanese from falling to his death as they fight falling among the rocks. You could say that the Chinese would have won there given its a fair fight. After all, the Japanese failed to compensate or predict for having lost footing when the rocks fell while the Chinese did and more over, the Chinese goes out of his way to save the Japanese from dying dishonorably by a sudden fall to the rocks below. The Japanese knows this but to be able to continue to seek honor in battle and even things up he stabs himself once they are back on the ground, intending to continue to fight all the way to the death even though the Chinese no longer wants to. After the last exchange, in a fair fight, the Japanese has won because by slicing his hand and arm the Chinese has lost due to the fact he can no longer even hold a dueling sword to duel. At that point, even though the Japanese has a bad wound - the Japanese would still have the strength to finish off the handless Chinese with one more blow. The film's script and the director goes out of its way to show that neither fighter struck anywhere near any vital organs during the match - meaning that even if they would die from loss of blood from their other wounds - it would probably take quite a while. The Chinese walks away after losing his hands because he knows those moves defeated him and he either will live or die in peace from there on, but due to his weariness from the battle (and from a life of being a dueliest which he was already growing sick of) he doesn't care whether the Japanese will follow him to perform a finishing blow. The Japanese, on the other hand, knows he could follow the Chinese to finish him off but knows it will take most all his remaining energy to do so because after all, at that moment, he could barely stand up. I think the Japanese, like the Chinese, at that point feels they have been betrayed by their countries/masters who both wanted to corrupt the purity and tradition of the duel to reach their own political ends (the Japanese shogun and ninjas betray him, the Chinese House of Swords master/duel host betrays the Chinese guy). So from there, both fighters have ultimate respect for each other and no longer wish to seek each other out in battle. The Japanese turns to face the direction of Japan, and like the Chinese, from there he will either live in peace or die in peace from his wounds. Whether you, as the audience, imagines that they either live in peace or die in peace is left open and up to your own personal interpretation.

Personally, I would think they decide to die in peace from their wounds. They both feel betrayed by their countries/masters and the Chinese is left hopeless/depressed because the woman he was falling in love with died for a pointless reason (the daughter of the House of Swords being accidentally killed by her corrupt father) and a reason that he was partially responsible for (after all he did take part in the fight where she was killed and his general involvement/meddling is what caused the daughter to be in that fight in the first place). The Japanese would be depressed with no reason left to live since the duel was over and he would feel sorrow for allowing his drive/aggresive nature toward taking part in the duel allow his all-important honor to become corrupt along the way (since he killed the Chinese monk). Remember his shock from being told to throw the fight by the ninja leader much earlier in the movie, from there I believe a rage against his country/leaders began to build inside him and began to corrupt him into making him want to carrying out the duel his way, at all costs. Additionally, both men might feel that there is nothing/little to go back to in returning to their own countries too since they would have to return with bad physical/mental scars and would have to return under the shadow of knowing how corrupted their leaders have been. Also, both men would feel fatigue from their battle wounds and as warriors, at that moment, may not feel they should live on with such scars/damage. In their fatigue, they instead decide to spend their last hours in meditation/prayer - dying as honorably as they can and dying in peace. They decide that hopefully God will forgive them of their sins or allow them to atone for them and have a fresh start in the afterlife.

Of course, I like the other interpretation that they would both live in peace as well (whether they return to their own countries or live elsewhere). There is nothing wrong with that either.

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I see it in two ways. Either,

1) Hashimoto spares Wan: Hashimoto has crippled Wan and knows he is dying. Perhaps he decides to spare Wan for personal reasons.

2) Both die. The final scene simply shows their views of death. Hashimoto wants to die proudly. But Wan doesn't believe in wasting life so he tries to live. But imo, him looking back is symbolic that it's futile, he's going to die.

I got for number 2. There was too much forshadowing that they would both die. The movie leaves it to us, but arguing either of them living is like arguing Butch Cassidy and Sundance won their gun battle.

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They both live, then they team up and go on adventures together, fighting against corruption and ninja magic (LSD) where they find it.

Wan would still have both arms, as continuity isn't all that important.

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