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Lost Best Picture to Ghandi


VV lost Best Picture to GHANDI. Its in good company however. "ET" and "TOOTSIE" were also nominated and lost. "Blade Runner" released that year was not even nominated! All these years later VV and the rest of the movies listed are still finding new fans. Ghandi nobody cares

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Sorry Stanton67 but VV wasn't even nominated for Best Picture that year. Besides the 3 you mentioned there was also MISSING and THE VERDICT.

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That's right...Andrews, Preston, and Warren were nominated, but the film was not.

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Much as I don't think Ghandi is a 'great' movie, it's much better than this one.

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The "best picture" thing I can understand. It was to be expected.
(And "Gandhi" really IS an impressive film.)

It's Lesley Ann Warren not getting the Oscar for her role what gets me.





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VV is much better. Ghandi well its good its just not that great

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I certainly liked this movie but wouldn't vote it it better then "ET," "Tootsie" or "The Verdict" - all nominees for Best Picture that year.

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same here

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The thing of it is - how many times can you sit thru "Gandhi"? And how many times have you seen "ET" or "Tootsie" or "Victor Victoria" even?

Face it. There were so many other films of 1982 better than "Gandhi" but it is definitely the "type" of film (think "The Last Emperor") the Academy likes to honor for artistic achievements and Best Picture awards - deserving or not.

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Which is why the ratings for the Academy Awards are shrinking. Everyone knows that honor movies that most people have no intention of ever seeeing

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But GANDHI is the long, lumbering kind of epic that the Academy loves to shower with Oscars, and no other films had a chance at any significant awards that year. Everybody knew that GANDHI was going to sweep that night, and there weren't a lot of surprises, making for a very BORING ceremony.

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Victor Victoria was a perfect movie, hands down. Next to it, current "musicals" like Dreamgirls are irredeemable crap. I think films like "Gandhi", "Slumdog Millionaire", "The Last Emperor" or "Memoirs of a Geisha" capture the imagination very powerfully at the time of their release. But they don't get much repeat viewing over the years because they're based on cultures that are too alien to us. If there had been one lead actor from our background/culture as in "The King and I" or "The Killing Fields" we would have been more invested in the experience. So regardless of our indifference to such films, they are still great pieces of film-making.
Having said that, even though Ben Kingsley's transformation into Gandhi was uncanny, Paul Newman's performance in "The Verdict" was the more internalised, deeply felt, complex and powerful one. Newman's portrayal of drunk ambulance chaser Frank Galvin looking for redemption has resonated with me for almost 30 years. As we say every year during awards season, Newman was ROBBED.

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I think films like "Gandhi", "Slumdog Millionaire", "The Last Emperor" or "Memoirs of a Geisha" capture the imagination very powerfully at the time of their release. But they don't get much repeat viewing over the years because they're based on cultures that are too alien to us. If there had been one lead actor from our background/culture as in "The King and I" or "The Killing Fields" we would have been more invested in the experience.

A couple of different comments about this:

1) I think that you may be somewhat overgeneralizing the need for an Anglo-American point-of-view character. Your immediate circle of acquaintances may well prefer it. However, there is also an audience out there that actively prefers being transported to different "worlds" via the movies; and the more completely immersed they can be, the better.

2) There are a host of other variables that go into how "re-watchable" a movie is. Gandhi is the kind of big, prestige bio-pic that the Academy has always loved (going back to the 1930s), and that has almost always felt a bit ponderous to me (regardless of whether or not it was set in my own culture). Slumdog, by contrast, is an entirely different animal, and one that I am far more likely stop and watch for a while if I stumble across it again on cable.

3) All of the movies that you mentioned (on both sides of that POV character divide) are made by and primarily for people from the Anglo-American culture. None of them really represent those foreign cultures as seen from the inside. As with many things, they often tell you more about the storyteller than about the subject. The King and I is considered so completely off base by the Thais that (as of the last time that I checked) it is *still* completely banned in Thailand. I generally (you can always find exceptions to such things) find it much more interesting to see Japan through the eyes of Kurosawa or Mizoguchi; India through the eyes of someone such as Satyajit Ray; Russia through the eyes of Eisenstein or Tarkovsky; etc. (Side note: I also find that pointing out the background behind certain references, the cultural meaning / implications of certain gestures, etc. in those sorts of foreign movies to be about as good of a use of DVD commentary tracks as I have seen. They can be immensely helpful for some of those kinds of details.)

This may relate back to why you prefer foreign set movies to have a Western POV character. If you are sticking to movies made by Western directors (and screenwriters), *they* relate more to stories that are actually about people like themselves who are encountering strange (to them) conditions.

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This thread is insane, one of the best bio pics in history rightfully won the best picture award. Ghandi was the closest figure to Jesus Christ in modern history, the role was played flawlessly by Ben Kingsley, you compare that epic work to this film? Or to ET, OMG please, this site is supposed to be for fans of cinema, GROW UP

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