Seems a little dated?


Saw it in the theater when it came out. Thought it was soooo funny. Now, seems a little dated. Gay humor a lot more mainstream today.

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"Gay humor" is mainstream now? Really? And how many mainstream films or shows have gay characters as leads now? Especially ones who are in comedies and are not tragic? Toddy gets a happy and romantic ending, just like Victoria. Just how common is that *really* nowadays in film?

I'd also like to see where all those great comedies where a forty-something woman plays a romantic lead are now.

Further, how common is it to find a film that deals with gender essentialism in any way that is anything but mocking toward women? Victor/Victoria is certainly a farce, but its subtext is deadly serious. There are situations in which characters are threatened with death for being perceived as gay and as a result of other characters deliberately spreading ugly rumors about them. The heroine is so poor early on that she faces a situation of prostitution/rape to survive and only finds her job prospects greatly improved when she pretends to be a man who impersonates a woman onstage (contrasted with Norma, who basically has to resort to a high-class form of long-term prostitution with gangsters to get ahead in Chicago).

Toddy is being taken advantage of by a young man who acts as if he's "better" than Toddy because he also sleeps with women and only sleeps (supposedly) with Toddy for money. We even see a club (Chez Lui) that caters to the GLBT community and keeps getting shut down every time there's a brawl (no police even bother to show up when King starts a brawl in a working-class bar).

So, no, I don't think it's dated at all. Some other Blake Edwards films are, but not this one.

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"Gay humor" is mainstream now? Really? And how many mainstream films or shows have gay characters as leads now?


Fair question. Since Victor/Victoria here is a short list:

The Adventures of Priscilla Queen of the Desert [1994]
Touch of Pink [2004]
Mambo Italiano [2004]
Trick [2000]
9 Dead Gay Guys [2002]
The Birdcage [1996]
Home for the Holidays [1995]
Party Monster [2003]
Love! Valour! Compassion![2004]
Another Gay Movie [2006]
Kiss Me, Guido [2000]

I think the rest of your post was concerning 40 year old female romantic leads is interesting but not applicable to my post.

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Of those films, only The Birdcage and maybe Home for the Holidays might be considered "mainstream"--as in, "likely to get widespread distribution." Gay humor ain't mainstream if it's only acceptable in indie film.

Try again. You may find it a bit awkward, though, after what just happened in Florida.

I think the rest of your post was concerning 40 year old female romantic leads is interesting but not applicable to my post.


I'll take that as your concession of the argument, then.

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It's dated in the same way Eddie Murphy's Delirious live on stage movie was when you think of the terms they used for being gay. It's gotten "PC Mainstream" now. Showing gay characters on TV/movies without the crudeness that there used to be in the 80's when being gay meant a death sentence according to the media and govt.

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I agree that GLBT communities and characters are treated in film and TV with more nuance today, for both good and ill, but these films still have value and many are still entertaining. Also, this isn't just a groundbreaking 80s film about GLBT characters like, say, Priscilla, Queen of the Desert or The Birdcage. It's an 80s film set in the 1930s in Paris, a very specific time and place when a lot of the stereotypes and roles we have today were being created. So, it wouldn't be accurate to 1930s Paris if those stereotypes and roles weren't rough and raw.

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