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Just how did they make Dr. Gruber go away?


I doubt they threatened his life.
He was a man of integrity and was being a witness for all the right reasons.
So what offer did they give him that he just could not refuse?

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I often wondered the same thing, especially since Gruber was so gung-ho about wanting Galvin to try the case rather than settling out of court. However, Concannon also notes later in the film that the doctors in the case also wanted to go to court to clear their names. They didn't like the idea of settling out of court.

So, Galvin and Concannon start out both wanting to settle, while Towler wants to clear his name, and Gruber is clearly trying to maneuver Galvin into trying the case too.

Considering that both Towler and Gruber were noted anesthesiologists in the same city, there's a very strong chance that they know each other and that they could be friends. Is it possible that Towler put Gruber up to it? He could have told Gruber to suck Galvin in so much that he'll want to go to court, so that Towler could win and clear his name (as opposed to settling and leaving a black mark on his record). Since Towler and Gruber were in the same profession and vulnerable to these kinds of lawsuits, it makes sense that they would protect each other and sympathize with each other.

I don't think there's anything Concannon could have done to buy off Gruber, but Towler might have been able to reach him.

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Anything is possible.

Maybe Towler doesn't have to know Gruber but you might be onto something.
Towler explains to Gruber, lying of course, what happened.
And then they say to him, "See? Your not needed. Here is an all expense paid vacation to the Caribbean."

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Wish there were more clues in the movie. Either Gruber was sincere in what he told Galvin or he wasn't.

If he wasn't sincere then most likely he was bait to get Galvin to go to trial to clear the OR Doctors. Thus it is the OR Doctors ploy. Not the Archdiocese, who had a check cut ready to settle, nor Concannon who would follow the Archdioceses lead.

If Gruber was sincere then either Concannon persuaded/threatened him to leave town or Gruber simply scheduled a vacation the time of the trial.

That Concannon persuaded/threatened Gruber is a pretty straight forward theory. Knowing he is going to trial Concannon is simply eliminating any credible witness Galvin could call. There are no clues as to what type of honey or vinegar Concannon uses on Gruber.

Finally we are left with a trial/vacation scheduling conflict. Not aware of the trial dates Gruber happens to schedule vacation during the trail. But then what about the deposition? When Galvin was tracking down Gruber in the movie, was that to take the deposition or to go over testimony? The deposition was set for a mutually agreed date and time, don't think Gruber would have let it slip his mind. Or maybe Gruber gives his deposition, no trial date is yet set, decides to take the vacation still intending to testify whenever the trial is set. Concannon learns of the vacation and persuades his buddy judge to schedule the trial during that period.


My thoughts are that the writers, to show that if anything could go wrong did go wrong, wrote in the disappearance of the key witness. Kinda of cliché but makes for a good story.

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I don't think Gruber had a vacation planned.
Otherwise he would have said to Frank, "Oh, sorry. I can't meet with you since I'm going to be gone."
Somehow Concannon persuaded him since he is paid to win.

I wonder if the book goes into more detail of how Con got Gruber to leave.

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They gave The Grubers reservations at St. Barts to the Friedman's.

Remember how, during The Firm's first discussion about the case, Concannon told Friedman to send his wife a bouquet of roses, no a sunlamp? "There will be no vacations." or something like that. The Firm took it a step further and offered the reservations to Dr. Gruber.

I was surprised that Dr. Gruber, with the flashy coat and car, would be bought off with a vacation. I think the posters above might be onto something.

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I was wondering the same thing.
Giving the lawyer's tickets to Gruber.

I think the posters above might be onto something.

With what?

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With what?
Some of the other reasons Gruber backed out of testifying after seeming to be so gung ho.

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Went back and reviewed the scenes. Gruber is gung ho in the beginning, criticizing Frank for considering settling. Appointment to meet is set for Tuesday evening at 7 in the locker room at the hospital. But Gruber is a no show. Nurse says he hadn't been in all day. Assistant says on vacation where he can't be reached.

What happened in between was that Frank refused the Bishops offer. Next Concannon told his staff a generous offer had been refused 5 days before trail -- unusual, he instructs them to find out why. He further stated that the strategy will be to clear the hospital and Doctors by destroying Frank's credibility.

Then Frank hooked up with Laura and took her up to his apartment where she started eyeing the place over looking for something. Although Frank told Gruber to keep the deposition under wraps Laura's snooping paid off as she must have seen his name scribbled somewhere. Concannon got to Gruber before Tuesday and threatens/cajoles him to get lost.

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and threatens/cajoles him to get lost.

What I want to know is what would they threaten him with?
I doubt his life. That would be way too extreme and unethical even for Con.
Maybe Gruber had something in his past that he wouldn't want to come out in trial?

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Good question. Gruber's reason for testifying was that he did not want incompetent Doctors out there practicing bad medicine, hurting patients, and giving the medical profession a bad reputation. His style is flashy and he is arrogant almost to a fault. But he turns out to be all talk. Although he is on the side of the angels he seems to be the type many of us would like to see brought down a peg. The writers passed up a great scene where we could have seen Concannon "persuade" Gruber to do the "right" thing.

I can envision a scene where Concannon sizes Gruber as someone full of self-righteous indignation but not willing do much if there would be a cost to him. He starts out flattering Gruber about taking a courageous stand where it might cost him so much. The costs are explained in veiled threats. Gruber starts looking for a way out.

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Gotta love these boards. I posted this question like 5 years ago, and they erased all except the most recent. So guess 5 years from now this will be erased and someone ELSE will start it from scratch...and so on for all eternity!

For who would bear the whips and scorns of Hollywood... (;-p)

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Interesting. So do you have anything to add or do these recent posts pretty much cover it?

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Gotta love these boards. I posted this question like 5 years ago, and they erased all except the most recent. So guess 5 years from now this will be erased and someone ELSE will start it from scratch...and so on for all eternity!


I remember that. I posted a mini hypothetical dialogue between Gruber and Towler, but that went down the memory hole as well.

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Yes, I remember that too. IMDB was saving everything until like the last year. They're trying to save space and money now.

For who would bear the whips and scorns of Hollywood... (;-p)

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yeah, laura sniffing gruber out seems most likely, given what we know. what we dont know is what concannon or the diocese had to move him out. gruber seemed to think he was pretty bullet-proof when he first spoke to galvin in the hospital and finally from inside of his porsche. "its the right thing to do", he said.

it was a pure betrayal.

all of which to serve that there weren't going to be any white knights trotting out to save the day. what help there was, the truth of the matter, had to be prised out from hiding places, because those with it had been intimidated by the powerful into silence.

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This is all pure speculation of course, but here's how I think it could plausibly have played out. Laura, the evil infiltrator, suckered the unsuspecting Frank into revealing details about his case. Once Concannon found out about Gruber, he had his army of lawyers pry into every nook and cranny of Gruber's life. Gruber portrayed himself as a virtuous man looking to do the right thing for his profession and for Galvin's client (probably in that order), but he struck me as an arrogant hotshot. Concannon probably found out something he had done that got buried, perhaps a nurse he got pregnant or sexually assaulted, and threatened that if he didn't leave town he'd expose Gruber's past improprieties to the press. This seems more likely than Gruber getting bought off with a vacation. Gruber was a doctor after all. He wore a fancy coat and drove a fancy sports car. I'm sure he'd have no trouble paying for such a vacation himself at a future date.

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Having just watched the movie. I believe Gruber could have been a plant to get Newman into court so they save the 220,000 bucks they offered.

Without his testimony they figured it would be a done deal. Laura was there to keep them up-to-date on some other surprises Newman may have stumbled on. The Judge also looked to be in on the deal by speaking for Newman about the brain dead discussion.

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My guess is that Gruber was bribed to disappear. In that brief scene with Galvin, Gruber gave the impression of having righteous motivations, but also had the vibe of a smooth talking, somewhat sarcastic and cynical hustler who had fancy tastes. He was chomping on a cigar, wore an expensive coat, and motored off in what appeared to be a slick European sports car. He was a man in a hurry. He couldn't even be bothered to stand still and chat with Galvin about a matter that he supposedly considered a grave injustice. Gruber gave me the impression that he was a man who could be bought off. When Galvin asked him why he was willing to testify, he replied "To do the right thing. Isn't that why you're doing it?" In my opinion that comment was laced with cynicism and was a sly jab at Galvin, suggesting he was only doing it for the money. Gruber might have initially committed to testify to raise his profile as a righteous dude, what we'd today call virtue signaling.

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I’m coming in hot here, 2 years after this last post and 7 years after its genesis …
all to say that I agree with the above opinion. The impression of this guy Gruber was that he was slick with his fast talk, expensive cigar & suede jacket. He refers to Towler & Marx as “bozos” and I’m sure Towler’s a competitor. However, he could have been “persuaded” in any number of ways that might serve his practice, not just a straight payoff, realizing too that in the end, the two “bozos” in his profession are still fellow doctors and tipping him in the other direction could easily have just been the matter of a smart, practical offer.

I had to jump in because I just rewatched the film about 15 times and my gf stopped talking to me about it after the 3rd so I’m desperate to talk to anyone about it. But I realize I’m probably a lunatic rambling on in an empty saloon.

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