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Music score is so horribly dated.


The music in Tootsie is so dated that I completely forgot that this style of music even existed, even though I was alive at the time. 

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The music was even bad at the time. Stephen Bishop was never a major singer/songwriter.

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This is one of those rare instances where I would welcome a new score. It really is bad.

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I had the exact same thought. I can't recall ever thinking that about a movie before. Movies should be left alone. Except for Tootsie. I kept expecting Alf (the lovable alien) to appear at any time. That type of music worked for him. Tootsie would be better with no music at all in my opinion. So much to like in this movie.

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https://www.stereogum.com/2106568/the-number-ones-phil-collins-marilyn-martins-separate-lives/columns/the-number-ones/

Phil Collins didn’t write “Separate Lives,” and neither did Marilyn Martin. Instead, the song came from Stephen Bishop, a singer and songwriter who made smooth pop music and who carved himself out a niche writing songs for movies. Bishop wrote and sang a couple of songs on the National Lampoon’s Animal House soundtrack, and he also appeared in the movie, as the butt of a timeless and beautiful joke. (He’s the guy with the acoustic guitar.) Bishop also had songs in The China Syndrome and Roadie and Summer Lovers and Unfaithfully Yours, and he sang “It Might Be You,” the theme from Tootsie. (Bishop’s highest-charting single, the sleepy 1977 soft-rocker “On And On,” peaked at #11.)

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I loved the music then, and I loved it now. Dave Grusin is a great soundtrack composer that gets very little credit nowadays. I agree it sounds very much of it's time, but it really works for the film, underpinning all the scenes with the right musical mood. I honestly can't picture the film with any other type of score. I think it's one of those scores that people either love or hate.

I also love the theme song. It's a little syrupy, but really works in the scene at the farmhouse.

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I completely agree, Ozymandias. In the late 80s, Dave Grusin recorded an album called Cinemagic with the London Symphony Orchestra, built around his scores for a whole range of 80s films, from The Little Drummer Girl and On Golden Pond to The Champ, The Goonies and Heaven Can Wait. He does an achingly-beautiful piano solo of the theme from Tootsie -- okay, at its heart it's still very 80s piano-bar, but for that genre, it's really an incredible piece of music, and I'm not ashamed to say it brings tears (and yes, a touch of melancholy) any time I play it. Worth tracking down, I think, especially if you like Grusin.



You might very well think that. I couldn't possibly comment.

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I think I have the Cinemagic album in my now barely-played vinyl collection. I think this is the one you mean:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgMO5nZAbbw

I think it's Grusin's 'Smooth Jazz' stylings that seem to turn people off to some of his scores, but when he's good he's really really good. One of the great things about the jazzy feel to the Tootsie score (and similarly with the movie 'Author Author' which I believed he scored at the last minute as a replacement for Johnny Mandel) is that it captures the slightly off-kilter vibe of city life. He incorporates the same feel into 'Fratelli Chase' from Goonies. His main theme for that and 'Lucas' are really beautiful.

It's a shame that some of the masters of his work have now been lost. He scored some great cues to 'My Bodyguard' and 'The Goodbye Girl' which as far as I know are now gone.

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I was just about to post the very same thing. I watched the film tonight after decades of not seeing it and that song at the end is PAINFUL as if the music score in general. Typical of so many films made from 1977 to 1989. Truly a decade of mediocre movies and TV. Really cheap stuff. http://www.cliffcarson.com

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Typical of so many films made from 1977 to 1989. Truly a decade of mediocre movies and TV. Really cheap stuff.
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'Typical of so many films made from 1977 to 1989. Truly a decade of mediocre movies and TV. Really cheap stuff. http://www.cliffcarson.com'
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What an ugly-minded generation for the past few decades, filled with spoiled hipsters who use extreme adjectives for everything. Of course it's "dated", if it was 1980. How atrocious music has become today: loud screeching and hip-hop, and other bland junk. And films/Tv today is an ill-fated sign of whats to come.

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I can't even listen to most of the music out today.
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Most people with taste in music and film, would now that the best of it died with the 80's. We have been left with dribblets and drablets since then. Even films that look and sound technically excellent today, most of them are just unoriginal rehashes of whats been done better before and the strength and quality of fine actors appears to be thinning also, compared to what has gone before. Awards get given, because someone/something has to win and then they wither on into obscurity real quick.

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A lot of movies made today are churned out for teenage boys, even if they are 70 years old. And today´s horrible music we have now "sung" by "great artists" with the mic in their mouths, to say nothing of the destruction of melody by hip-hop and rap. One of the best songs ever written is in this movie: "That´s All". Pure, simple, expressive, gorgeous melody. And the background music is perfect for this really adult and wistful film.

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It's a great film and although the music is a bit dated I really like it. It works with the movie. I don't watch 99.99% of the crap that Hollywood puts out today and I certainly don't listen to the garbage of modern music.

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funny comment. but no, I liked it.

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Of course the music sounds like from another era because IT IS FROM ANOTHER ERA! Blimey! Or do you expect Mozart to sound like 2016? Still, Grusin's score is brilliant and still sounds fresh and elevates the movie to another level. Grusin made some great soundtracks such as "Lucas" and "Goonies".

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Hearing this soundtrack puts me in mind of seeing The Reluctant Debutante the other night, and realizing that that Sandra Dee treacle came out three years after Rebel Without a Cause, and the same year as Touch of Evil.

Pop culture is always a weird mix of old, reliable craft churned out because it's safe and inoffensive, right next to other leading-edge stuff.

I think that's what happened with the soundtrack here. This was a sweet movie designed to appeal to a wide age range, a lovely bit of respite with no ragged, challenging edges. It makes sense the music was essentially pulled from the well-worn stable of dopey seventies styles.

And it's consistent with the G-rated dreck that dominated Academy Award best song winners in the 70s and 80s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_Award_for_Best_Original_Song#1970s. Music with guts is rarely recognized there.

I loved Tootsie when it came out, and found the music absolutely insipid. It hasn't improved with time. 


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Nothing to see here, move along.

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I thought the music sounded very early 80s for sure, but it's a product of its time. That can be said about most movies, but it doesn't mean it sucks or is inappropriate.

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It seemed dated in 1982 it doesn't fit the style or tone of the film. It's dreary.

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