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How do Kahn and his troops master the controls of the Reliant so fast?


Here's a question I'm surprised I've never seen anyone ask before: Kahn and his followers are from the 20th century, so how do they instantly master the controls of a 23rd century starship without any training or experience?

I know they are genetic supermen who have the ability to memorize information very fast (Kahn instantly memorizes the Enterprise Tech library in "Space Seed"). But wouldn't operating a 23rd century Starship require more then just the ability to memorize written material? Wouldn't it also require training from qualified personnel?

In fact, after Kahn takes over the Enterprise in "Space Seed", he explicitly states that he has kept the Enterprise crew alive because he needs their training and experience to help run the ship. Odd that's not needed to run the Reliant.

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One can argue that the time period of Khan handling the Reliant was longer than the Enterprise takeover (which seemed to have been a day). Chances are some days passed between the Enterprise leaving spacedock and the elevator scene with Saavik (leading to the message from Carol).
Khan was also a genius. He memorized the tech library banks, but his superior thinking allowed him to go further in understanding the technology and how to use it. Remember he is able to cut off the air in the bridge and causing the engines to reach self-destruction without any help from any crew member. Just as sometimes the second time around proves to be easier and quicker (especially if you are a genius), then Khan handling the Reliant proved likewise. However, it still wasn't perfect, as Khan lacked the experience to use a starship's capabilities the way a seasoned professional like Kirk did ("I knew something about this ship that he didn't.").
As for his leaving the crew alive, yes, at that point Khan did need some help, but I believe he also characteristically wanted to control them, having power over them. And chances are he would have quickly got the gist of things and replace the crew with his equally superior minions. After the debacle, Khan probably decided to handle things with his own group, using ceti-eels when necessary (The WofK novelization has Khan take the engineering crew with him, enslaving them with ceti-eels).

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I suppose that makes some sense. I would just think that a 23rd century starship wouldn't be so perfectly user friendly that people could totally master the controls of it without any aid other then reading written material (even with the ability to instantly memorize everything). Not only that, but we're talking about people who are not even from the time period, meaning they wouldn't even know of the existence of many features at first, since they didn't exist 300 years earlier.

Imagine if some humans in our time had the ability to instantly memorize everything they read. Even if they had that ability, and the benefit of superior genetically engineered intellect, would they be able to become qualified astronauts and master the controls of a space shuttle without any special training or experience? I think not, especially if they had just came from the 19th century.

I didn't know about him using the ceti-eels to manipulate the Reliant's crew to train his own. I suppose that would make the situation more logical.

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I'd be expecting computer controls to only be more user friendly with time and development(over the long-haul, that is; obviously in the short term, UI's can go from working fine to totally screwed due to developer and executive idiocy and stubbornness).

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Let's be honest, it really is a plot hole. Think back to The Ultimate Computer, when Kirk said he couldn't run a starship with just 20 crewman.

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And yet, thanks to Scotty's engineering talents, he could pilot one with 5 (although not entirely with success; the shields).

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Still don't you find it a little unconvincing that anyone, even a genetically enhanced genius, could so quickly master technology that is 300 years more advanced then the time period they came from?

Imagine someone from the 1700s being able to master the controls of a modern nuclear powered aircraft carrier in a matter of days. Even if they were a genetically enhanced genius with the ability to memorize written material instantly, I'd still think it would take a long time to master so much technology that didn't even exist in their time.

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But in Khan's case, he had the Botany Bay, which looks pretty advanced for late 1990s space technology. That does suggest Khan knew and understood quite a bit back then.
One trek writer, melding Khan's origins with the reality of the late 20th century, revealed that his mentor was Gary Seven ("Assignment: Earth"), who saw Khan as a successor.

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Ugh, don't remind me. I read those books and they were two of the worst books imaginable. They contradicted practically everything the original story established about Kahn.

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Imagine someone from the 1700s being able to master the controls of a modern nuclear powered aircraft carrier in a matter of days. Even if they were a genetically enhanced genius with the ability to memorize written material instantly, I'd still think it would take a long time to master so much technology that didn't even exist in their time.
Considering UI tends to improve over the years, try the reverse. Put someone from the 2000s into a wooden sailing ship, and see how fast they screw things up.

Yet, some things are simply universal to the human form and reality. You move a control to move a direction, whether long ago, now, or far in the future. In all its variant forms, a steering wheel is still a steering wheel(even when it's not a "wheel").

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They had both the Captain and First Officer to help them along with things. Even under the influence of the eels, they would have been able (and willing) to give training to Khan's men. Genetic superman abilities did the rest.

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I think the novel explains this. Khan kept some crewmen on board to force them to help run the ship and rest were beamed down on Alpha Ceti V.

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I wondered this but he did have the captain and also he may have kept some of the Reliants crew for the engineering , at gun point to tell Khan what to do with consoles and the warp drive











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The novelization, which is in no way cannon, says that, in addition to Terrell and Chekov, Khan also kept the engine room company on board, controlled by the Ceti eels. Although it's not cannon, I buy it as an adequate explanation.

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he used eels to control some of the crew

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