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The Violence of Frank and George


So who was more violent, George or Frank? George was an angry man who yelled at his wife and kids and once beat his daughter Sherry. At the end of the movie George destroys the workmanship (the tennis court) of his estranged wife's lover, not to mention various cars and other property in his path of destruction.

Frank seems like a very gentle fellow, not an intellectual like George. But when George destroys the tennis court, Frank also turns into a very angry violent man. He pulls George from his car and beats him up badly in front of his children even though George makes no resistance. He even kicks George more than once in his genitals. Frank also kicks George's gift to his daughter of a typewriter, a typewriter being George's way of making a living as a writer.

So which man, if either, will Faith stay with? Her badly beaten husband or her lover? Would she stay with Frank now that she has seen how violent he can be - a man who kicks another man in the genitals even when he is down on the ground? A man who has been violent in front of her children to their father?

I've seen this movie many times, but have never been able to answer my own question.

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It occurred to me just the other day that Faith would stay with neither man.

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Since George walked out on his family and is in another relationship, why on earth would Faith want to take him back? He is history. And Frank was just a fellow to pass the time with....I don't believe either of them were *in love*.

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Since George walked out on his family and is in another relationship, why on earth would Faith want to take him back?


For love? For the sake of her children? Stranger things have happened.

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I always thought she took him back.

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'pass the time' ahhhhh yes. tho, she played for him a rolling stones album! gotta mean something important!




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Faith seemed a bit battered to me. Her reaction to George breaking the front door and throwing her and Sherri around made it seem like she had experienced that before.

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^I got quite the opposite impression.

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So who was more violent, George or Frank?


Definitely George. That wasn't his only violent incident.

Frank seems like a very gentle fellow, not an intellectual like George. But when George destroys the tennis court, Frank also turns into a very angry violent man.


I think he had every right to lose his temper. It wasn't just that George destroyed the tennis court, he drove a car through a party. He could have killed someone, but obviously didn't care as long as he got his petty revenge.

So which man, if either, will Faith stay with? Her badly beaten husband or her lover?


I think she went back to George. Besides the fact that women seem to be drawn to abusive men like moths to a flame, I think that even though he's a psycho, she'll feel sorry for him after seeing him get beaten up. Somehow the fact that he got a well-deserved beating magically erases the significance of him going crazy and almost killing people with his car.


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women seem to be drawn to abusive men like moths to a flame


Do you have empirical evidence of that?

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Do you have empirical evidence of that?


I knew a woman who was terrified of her husband. So much so that she wouldn't let me fix the problems on her laptop because she was afraid of what he would think if he saw that it was working better and knew she couldn't have fixed it on her own.

There was nothing between us, but she once asked if she could spend the night on my couch because she needed a break, somewhere safe that she could relax. In the middle of the night she claimed that she felt a draft, couldn't sleep because of it and ran home. She practically left skidmarks in her rush to run back to the house where she didn't feel safe with the guy that she was scared of.

The last I heard, she was still with him.


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I don't think she ended up with *anybody*, not because of Frank or George, but because of her own hostility problems. Sure, George had mad fits of rage, but she also could SCREAM and carry on just as much as he did. The restaurant scene is the best example of that.

'Empirical' evidence, the hell's that? Used to have to say open any woman's magazine or turn on any news report and you'll see plenty of evidence of good girls with bad boys. But now, all you have to say is "Google it."

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