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Time masters evil? *SPOILERS!*


I read in another thread the explanation that the time masters were evil. It's a few years ago I watched the film the last time, but I don't remember the time masters as evil... actually I remember them as those "helping" Piel in the end, sending him back in time to make it possible he could be saved in the past.
Am I so wrong, does my memory deceive me that much?


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I can't remember the funeral scene, I don't know why, so I can't remember the appearance of the time master as well... but as I said, there's a vague memory that they aren't that bad, at least not to Piel, but maybe it's exactly the opposite.
What happened when the time master appeared, did he tell someone about their race or anything else?

And, one further question: I read the explanation you wrote, and you said the spaceship was sent to the future. Isn't it rather that Perdide was sent to the past?
(I definitely have to watch the film again :))!)


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I must watch this movie again! I remember it completely different, namely that actually Jaffar's ship saved Piel. So he grew up elsewhere and didn't remember his own rescue because he was passed out at that time (when he was Piel) due to his brain injury. Of course this would be a paradox and illogical, as every story about a time journey is. But this would mean that either PERDIDE was sent to the future or Jaffar's spaceship was sent to the PAST. I think I thought it was that Jaffar got the appeal for help from the past, and in the moment they reached Perdide, they went also to the past (into the actual time the thing with Piel happened).

"But I'm sure the Time Masters manipulated the time and sent Jaffar's spaceship in the future, so by the time they got there, the planet had been destroyed (and in turn Silbad being an old man)."

But if this would have happened, the others would have changed their age as well? It's really confusing and I'm tired :)).
Please tell me about the funeral scene when you watched it again!


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3. The one thing I cannot understand is why, in a couple of scenes, Silbad is actually having a conversation with Piel through "Mike" the microphone. This does not make sense and implies that they are two separate people...though the ending of the film tells us otherwise. I'm still trying to piece this together through some notes I took in order to formulate a solution as to how they are the same person.

Well, that's one of the lovable time travel paradoxes. Silbad must tell Piel secrets of the planet for Piel to survive and eventually turn into Silbad ;-)
If he would not tell him that and Piel would die at the Perdide..., science fiction writers still argue in their stories what would happen then ;-)

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Yes, only thing is, the head wounds received by Piel obviously must've caused him Amnesia, otherwise Silbad would remember his childhood experiences. Undoubtfully he gathered his knowledge of the planet at a later time.

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I finally got the movie, and watched it again. The planet was sent 60 years into the past at the time when the 22 Double Triangle reached Perdide; that's why Jaffar & company get knocked out, they were in the zone where the Time Masters were warping time.

The entire planet then appeared suddenly at the same coordinates, but 60 years earlier, appearing "from nowhere" right next to Igor. This turns out to be Piel's salvation, as Igor then shoots down the giant hornets and rescues Piel. It is then assumed that this same Piel is the one that grows up and ends up being old Silbad, who did a lot of research about Perdide's ecosystem (remember that Silbad even knows the scientific name for the "wah-wah" creatures, which he didn't know as a kid). It is possible that he didn't remember the fact that he actually *was* Piel, because he was still not grown up enough to understand his situation, and because of the brain damage he suffered from the brain-eating hornets.

There is a hint that Silbad might realize what happened; after Piel loses "Mike", he says that the reason Piel isn't answering is because he is no longer there (near "Mike"). He would actually know this because it already happened to him, as a kid.

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Silbad IS having a conversation with Piel.

Piel is Silbad. Piel is on the planet. When the DTII and crew arrive at Perdide, the Time Masters are in the process of sending the planet back in time 60 years, which they succeed in doing. On Perdide, 60 years in the past, Piel-Silbad is rescued by by a passing spacer surprised by the sudden appearance of Perdide, is treated for his wounds but ultimately suffers from amnesia. Piel-Silbad is now 60 years in the past where he grows up to become just Silbad, overlapping his own birth and being in place to talk to himself en-route to Perdide just before it is sent back in time.

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The Time Masters aren't actively evil or vengeful – or at least, there's nothing within the film which would suggest them to be so – if anything, those descriptions are best reserved for Prince Mutton and the Reformers (remember, the gnomes sense evil intent as a 'bad smell'). What they are is disrespectful and careless, of other races and of nature – a passive kind of evil, rather than an active one.

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I don't remember the Time Masters being evil, though what I do vaguely remember is that the Time Masters had *lost* control on their time-shifting technology and that this "anomaly" had extended to Perdide.

I also had the idea that Silbad actually *knew* it was him who they were rescuing, but just omitted this information from everyone else. One hint at this is the fact that Silbad was carrying a similar "Mike" which might've been the *same* Mike he was given in the "past"!

I would have to watch this one again; its been 20 years since I watched this one.

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