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Another film making me glad to be atheist


So many arguments, wars and BS based on religion v religion. "this is what my book says and mine is right", "no mine is right and mine's bigger", "you don't like my book so I'm going to kill you" etc. It's as bad as "my dad's bigger than your dad" at school. The anti-atheist argument is usually that religion helps promote moral values but given the amount of bad done in the world in the name of religion does it really? Should fiction be allowed to dictate reality? I'm glad at least I have all my marbles compared to most of this planet.
p.s. This is not an invitation for religious fanatics to respond with arguments about faith and statistics etc. I really don't care enough to argue back - I guess that's the difference between atheists and the rest. We're happy to let the others waste their time (although that does have some hippocracy since I've taken time to write this blurb but it keeps me going while I wait for the film to finish).

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Im not religious, but the only thing dumber then people who kill for religion are people who believe that if it was no religion it wont still be just as much if not more war and murders

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He didn't say that if it wasn't for religion people wouldn't kill each other. But the fact is that religion is the driving several wars and has driven it for centuries.

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Totally agreed with you jrl2x

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I probably agree with you that there would be but at least they would fighting based on fact not fiction. It's a *beep* world where allegedly people need make believe in order to have a moral code.

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I certainly respect your choice to adopt Atheism. I myself was raised Lutheran and have relatives who adhere to several different renditions of Christianity. But I've never had a particularly fervent faith. I don't know who or what God may be, and I'm a humble enough man to admit that I don't have all the answers. If there are any who truly understand God, they are exorbitantly few. It is true, there are many examples of horrid people in the past driven to acts of madness in the name of their faith. But I sincerely hope you are open-minded enough to understand that there are very good people, and very bad people in pretty much every group you could possibly dice people into. That is the way of the world. People are often savages. The traits and traditions they adopt can be overwhelmed by hatred and dishonesty in nearly any situation.

Some of the most moral, most generous, most caring, and most peaceful human beings I've ever known have been devoutly religious. I have no doubt that their faith and their religious upbringing contributed to their goodness, as did many other factors such as good educational opportunities, principled upbringing (apart from the religious aspects), a stable family and an environment permeated by justice and peace.

On the other hand, I have known many outspoken Atheists I wouldn't spit on to put out the fire that was engulfing them. Abject scum. Hateful, dishonest, putrid.

My point is not that Atheists are bad, and religious people good. I don't believe that for an instant. Just some experiences from my life. My point is that you need to take people one at a time. You can't judge a group, unless you get to know virtually everybody in that group. Don't judge races, religious groups, nations, or people that adopt similar lifestyles together as one. Judge people one at a time as you learn something about them. When you meet somebody new, your only moral choice is to give them the benefit of doubt equal to any other. They will reveal their nature to you soon enough, and then you can rightly judge them and treat them accordingly. Keep an open mind. It is the best policy. Keep your guard up, and protect yourself, but let others reveal themselves to you before you judge them.

Fear, hatred, and madness has engulfed nations before. Religion doesn't always drive it. Don't brand all Hindus and Muslims for sins of those that committed atrocities during the partition (in my opinion one of the saddest episodes of the 20th century).

Keep in mind, atheists have committed such atrocities too. Stalin, for one.

Im not religious, but the only thing dumber then people who kill for religion are people who believe that if it was no religion it wont still be just as much if not more war and murders


While I would have worded it differently, I agree wholeheartedly with this statement. Human beings are animals, and savages. Civilization strikes the heart of seldom few in this world. If there were no religion, no faith in the supernatural, etc. people would find other reasons to slaughter and hate one another. I don't doubt this for a second.

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@herbsuperb: that was beautifully articulated.

I have loads of time for individuals who are fair-minded and who seem to possess a balanced view of the world. Well done, sir.

So put some spice in my sauce, honey in my tea, an ace up my sleeve and a slinkyplanb

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One of the most thoughtful and open-minded posts I have seen here. Respect to you sir, very well said.

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You may not realise this, but this film is making you glad you're not ignorant, NOT glad you're an atheist.
Ignorance, lack of education, fanaticism and fear of difference are those factors which bring forth atrocities, wars and crimes.
Religion has little to do with those arguments. Almost always those arguments are political and not religious. Religion can be a vehicle for those arguments, but always remember it is not the only one. Those who wish to do evil for their own selfish ambitions will always find a way, regardless of whether religions exist or not.
Gandhi was religious and he never advocated hostility amongst religions, but rather tolerance and acceptance, which is also what most religions preach.

P.S. Even though I consider myself irreligious, I have the common sense not to claim that religion is the root of all evil, because frankly, logically and scientifically it is NOT.

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Yeah, religion-bashing these days is just a scapegoat for more complex issues.

~ I've been very lonely in my isolated tower of indecipherable speech.

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Bad people do bad things, always have and always will. But for good people to do bad things it takes religion.

"Everyone is ignorant, only on different subjects". Will Rogers (1879-1935)

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Good people wouldn't do bad things in the name of religion (e.g. Gandhi). Those would have actually been bad people all along, just hiding behind religion's veil.

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I disagree.

"Everyone is ignorant, only on different subjects". Will Rogers (1879-1935)

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I agree with your previous post, it was nicely put. IMHO Valis' post was also valid: "Bad people do bad things, always have and always will. But for good people to do bad things it takes religion." Both arguments are not exclusive, you may find a person who is well-intended, yet ignorant on a particular subject, thus making it possible for this person to religiously driven for a consequence that may be harmful but still do it with a good intention.

In my personal experience I have found that most religious people tend to act with a religious bias that hinder them towards clear judgment and analysis of many situations. It may be true, though, that there is a clear correlation with knowledge and wisdom and "acting for the greater good". The more you research and reflect on a subject, the better prepared you are to decide on a decision for a positive outcome. Religion will either help you expand and deepen on difficult issues or hamper you to make a good call. It would probably more helpful a code of ethics with a more personal influence and with a more introspective outlook than the traditional religious code that is taught and preached.

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You should thank God that you're an atheist. ;)






"If you're going to shoot, shoot, don't talk " Tuco R. I. P.

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I agree, I am an agnostic, I think there actually may be an afterlife, but for sure there is no supreme being taking care of anybody!
That is just bunk, no proof whatsoever! Paranormal ghost/soul activity? perhaps, Dying people floating above their bodies? could be? who knows we will all die someday and find out!

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Just because groups of people get together and start a religion, that does not mean the TRUTH doesn't reside in a religious doctrine. Cults are everywhere. And most all churches in the world are nothing more than cults. But GOD is real. He is spiritual. And can be called upon. Witnessed. Not like in a movie. But in a very personal experience. After all. We were designed and created. You cannot make something from nothing. We came from some place. And considering we are intelligent and can create, there is no doubt that we were created by someone who has similar but far greater intelligence. This reality has no conflict with any religion or ideology. Because the TRUTH is absolute. Cannot be changed. We can only live in denial. Atheism is nothing more than living in denial over something they don't understand. Try sitting alone each night and praying upon GOD to send His Spirit into your life. Prove your sincerity with patience.

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OP is completely right about religion. However, if religion were eliminated idiots would still keep thinking up reasons to kill each other.

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