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Fitzarraldo vs Aguirre, Hand of God


I'm sure it's been asked, but which do people like more?

I found both to be overly long, but this adds to Herzog's quest for the epic tale. While both are filled with lush cinematography, I give the slight nod to Fitzarraldo. There's something about that 75 minute buildup to the boat gliding down the river, with Caruso playing and Kinski's strange, maniacal face, softening, just for that moment.

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I can barely remember what the Wrath of God was about, some armored guy and some monkeys, perhaps something else happened, sad to say I didn't find it involving.

Fitzcarraldo on the other hand was one of the finest films I've seen in a long time, doesn't feel like a long movie, great from start to finish.

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Herzog and Kinski are two of the more polarizing people in film. Huge egos, both of which come across in the films. I think Fitzcarraldo is definitely the more memorable film.

While totally different, have you seen his documentary Cave of Forgotten Dreams? It is wonderful, but there is a section at the end, with Herzog in a boat, essentially making it all about himself that is comical. Some say it ruins the film, but it's hard to ruin the amazing ancient cave drawings.

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I dislike both for a handful of reasons, but i dislike Aguirre more. Fitzcarraldo had quite alot of things i liked, Aguirre had barely anything i liked.

Fitz for me!

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Just glanced over your top 100 list and many I like, of course some I don't, but 12 Angry Men stood out. I'm not sure how much you're into foreign films, especially Russian, which tend to drag, but I just watched 12, Nikita Mikahlkov (sp?) adaptation of 12 Angry Men. Very well done. Could have been edited a bit, but a solid film.

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I like a handful of foreign films, but i'm not a foreign film expert, they're harder for me to watch, more difficult to follow and get into, and to fully appreciate. I do love some, but usually watch them with hasitation

Jeez, Russian films, i dont think i've seen any, atleast not that i remember. I've been wanting to watch some Tarkovsky films for a while, but i'm always hesitant to watch films from directors of which you usually need to see their films twice to understand.

Ofcourse i have to ask, what are the ones from my top 100 you did and did not like?

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Tarkovsky is brilliant, but take a movie like Stalker. It's 2 hours and 43 minutes and it's boring. There's no way to say it's not boring, but then when it ends, you forget you were bored and you go back to different parts and find yourself understanding them. It's all comes together in some ways and in other ways, you're left to decide. People love Andrei Rublev, but I think that's my least favorite. The Mirror is beautiful, but at times it's all symbolism and the story drags. Ivan's Childhood is probably the most memorable for me. What's interesting when watching his films is realizing how much he impacted today's directors....and I mean all of them.

I love Once Upon a Time In America and think it's very underrated. I too like Chaplin, but not top 100 like. My "second" 200 would probably have a few Chaplin, Keaton and Laurel & Hardy.
Cinema Paradiso blew me away. The finale, for me, is the greatest ending in movie history. I watch it every now and then to let the emotions out.
Seven Samurai is a top 10 for me. I was lucky enough to see it in a revival house when I was about 13. Another that just mesmerized me.
I recently watched A Matter of Life and Death aka Stairway to Heaven and it's a near perfect film. I was in shock, because I thought I had seen it before.
I love that you have Badlands, The Hunt and Eternal Sunshine on the Spotless Mind. While I don't know where they'd place in my top 100, I'm sure they'd be in there.
Actually on your list, there were a few I could do without, like Heat & Good Will Hunting, but only two I truly hate, Whiplash (I think it's the worst big name movie I saw in 2015) the Truman Show.

I have to admit, over the past three to four years, I've watched a lot of older films and the majority of films seem to be foreign, even if they are English speaking. This has made me not only sour on American cinema, but has made me realize some films I liked really "borrowed" a lot from some foreign classics.

I actually did a top ten by decade and then a top 25 list about five years ago, but that's changed drastically. I might have to figure out how to do a top 100 on IMDb. Oh and I'm not one to judge...I have Seven Samurai, 12 Angry Men, Seventh Seal, etc...."classics" but my #1 movie was John Woo's The Killer. HAHA!

Time for a new List!

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Everything you've said about Tarkovsky pretty much sums it up why i'm hasitant to watch a film of his.

Yes, i agree, Once Upon aTime in America is soo underrated, and on some occasions i think it's even greater than the Godfather.

Charlie Chaplin is my favorite filmmaker of all time, i could have my top 15 being only Chaplin films, I just spaced them out otherwise the list would be boring. Keaton on the other hand, i only love Sherlock Jr, which is on my list, the rest of his films that i've seen i thought were ''just good'' but nothing like Sherlock Jr.

Cinema paradiso is just one of those films, anyone who loves films, will most definitely love this film too. The ending is crushing yet beautiful. Left me sobbing for minutes.

Lucky bastard, a 3.5 hour epic like that, seen in a full cinemascreen mustve been magical. It's one of the most influential films ever made.

A Matter of Life and Death has one of the most unique, orignal and brilliant plots i've ever seen. I absolutely love it to death. ALso extremely underrated. The Archers are one of the greatest duos in film

For the character of Kit, masterfully played by Sheen, i have to have it on my list. It's probably the most fascinating character i've ever seen on screen. I was in awe after i've finished the film.

The Hunt is one of the most emotionally crushing films i've ever seen

Eternal Sunshine is just soo wholly unique and original, with fantastic acting and writing. I love it soo much.

Whiplash was actually in my top 5 for a really long time, untill i've re-edited my list a few weeks back.

Heat is astounding for it's combination of visceral action and character study. It's also beautifully shot and acted with a unique yet familiar script.

Good Will Hunting is in my eyes the ultimate feel-good film. (sort of) I can watch it dozens of times, and i have allready

The Truman Show is such a unique and brilliant satire. It's again so wholly unique. I can watch that film a thousand times too. I'd love to know why you ''hate'' those films? (Hate is a strong word, so i'd like to know)






The Killer is your #1, then i have to ask, what do you think of Le Samourai? By Melville, it's almosta remake and John Woo's favorite film.

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I should add, I despise Jim Carrey and Robin Williams and felt that Williams destroyed Good Will Hunting. Yes, I know, I'm a horrible person, haha.

I saw Le Samourai earlier this year and while I love it's style, I did find it painfully boring. I thought Delon was 100x better in Purple Noon. Now, I also realize it was meant to be played the way it was. I felt as if I was watching an episode of Get Smart with really good looking people and no jokes. I liked, but didn't love it. I'm also very much into dialogue driven movies, so Le Samourai was just to slow paced for me. Ironically I love silent films too, so I'm a bit confused myself.

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That you despise Jim Carrey, i can understand, but Williams? Wow, he might be the funniest person i've ever seen. His interviews on talkshows + his stand-up shows are incredibly funny, i can never get enough of him. I dont think i've ever seen anyone NOT like him, but there's a first for everything i guess XD



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Without getting too into it, I've always had an issue with his being funny and his being manic. I know someone, much like Williams, who was hilarious, but couldn't turn it off, but when you saw the other side, you realize it wasn't humor, it was simply a defense mechanism against suicide. I saw way too much of a good friend in Williams' behavior. When roles called for drama, he was so uncomfortable to watch. For me, there was nothing more horrible to endure than that scene...yes the one everyone loves...in Good Will Hunting, because you could tell it wasn't natural for him and what made him effective was his fighting himself, while focusing on Damon. I could go on forever about this, but I always felt pity while watching him. His death saddened me, because he was a truly good, altruistic person.

I should add, his early stuff, before he got into movies, was brilliant, but looking back there was so much sadness. BTW, you're welcome for ruining Robin Williams for you, haha. I just have a personal thing about him and I can't shake it. I feel the same way about some other "characters." When one looks at the problems and drugs Heath Ledger was on, his Joker wasn't acting, it was merely side effects and from what I've been told, those that knew him can't even bare to watch him in that role.

On a brighter note...Carrey is just an ass!

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