How dare they.


What the feck, just read in the "The Guide" that "Who dares wins" is the main attraction in "Nicko and Joe's Bad Movie Night" at the Barbican this Thursday. This is sacrilege, this is without doubt the greatest British film of the last 30 years and this couple of chumps are devoting a whole evening to taking the piss...its an outrage. Remember the scene when the two US Rangers give Skellen the mother of all kicking’s, well that’s what id like to do to these two clowns.

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Why waste your time ?

The liberal elite who raged and fumed at Maggie Thatcher throughout the 80's are now carrying on her legacy.

When B'liar was on the opposition benches he advocated :

Unilateral nuclear disarmament.

Withdrawal from NATO.

Withdrawal from the EU.

Renationalisation of all public utilities.

Legislating to cancel the increased police powers granted during the Miners' Strike.

To name but a few.

Has he done any of the above ................ NO.

Nor did he ever intend to.

The fact is, he and the rest of the Islington Set sold their collective souls purely to get elected.

Had they maintained the labour manifesto of the Foot - Kinnock era, the best thy could ever have hoped for would have been a hung parliament, resulting from tory voters abstaining as a response to the seemingly never ending stories of infidelity, and sleaze that characterised Major's last years.

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They can be summarised as people with a million pound house, and a 'Vote Labour' poster in the window.

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How many people do you think would still vote Labour if they started to tax people for having a second home, or made it COMPULSORY for them to allow said second home to be rented out through the local authority to alleviate homelessness ? Such a policy is being mooted in parts of Germany, and there is a huge backlash at what is merely a rumour.

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For B'liar and his gang of nodding dogs and closet capitalists, the gig is almost up ... and they know it.

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Erm...and that has exactly what to do with the initial post?

I'm listening to Mozart's Concerto No.5 in D-Minor. It's the karaoke version

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"this is without doubt the greatest British film of the last 30 years"
Hopefully your kidding mate!.
If not you should seriously consider joining The Schutzstaffel.

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Nope, i wasnt kidding and why do u think i shouLd join the SS?

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Who Dares Wins is always going to get up the nose of the fascist left, and I love it for it. It's that rare thing - a British political film that isn't a Guardian reader's wet dream. I pee myself when I see these moral fascists, convinced of their own superiority, go bleary eyed at the mention of CND. Anyone would think that CND carried popular opinion back in the 80's. It didn't. The Labour party's unilateralist policies cost it a right old trouncing at election time. Blair soon realised that these policies would have to be abandoned to make the party electable, and this still holds true today.

The man behind this bad movie night is pretentious lefty slimeball Stewart Lee. The same man who gave us that classy piece of work Jerry Springer : The Opera, and he thinks he can give us lectures in morality.



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Yep, well said. It gets to me that you arent allowed to like this flick without getting accused of being some right wing nut-job or a card carrying member of "The Schutzstaffel" (look it up on google, thats what i had to do). Its a quality Brit action flick from a time when all we were getting thrown at us was depressing dross like "Threads" and "When the wind blows".

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My last post was a bit strong but it does get to me how this film is deliberately misrepresented and how much venom is spat at it, so I thought I'd return the favour. I've lost count of the number of times I've heard dishonest critics claim the film depicts CND members as terrorists. Of course it doesn't. It makes it clear from the start that we are dealing with a group of extremists who are using CND as a cover.

The film does take a poke at CND and shadowy middle Eastern groups financing terrorism but that does not mean the film is some kind of Nazi propaganda. The unilateralists got a lot of publicity back in the early 80's and could mobilise a lot of support, but they never had the backing of the majority of the British public. As I said earlier, the decision the Labour party took back then to support unilateralism was a major factor in its defeat at subsequent elections. So what is so wrong with a film that criticises CND as opposed to the many at the time that were supporting it? What is wrong with a film that points the finger at Arab financing of terrorism, instead of the usual British film industry sniping at the US? This financing of terrorism used to happen then as it does now, so what's the problem? Are some people immune from criticism?

People are entitled to disagree with the politics of Who Dares Wins if they like, but some people seem to think that it had no right to be made at all. Personally, I think that says more about them than Who Dares Wins. For Stewart Lee to devote a whole evening to scoffing at a film because he doesn't like its politics strikes me as rather childish and a bit pathetic. I had the misfortune to see one of his old stand up routines on an obscure Sky channel recently. Basically, he delivered a left wing rant thinly disguised as humour to an audience of about twelve people in what looked like a clapped out pub. The audience tittered nervously while Lee sweated as his act went down like a lead balloon. I think I prefer Who Dares Wins myself. It does have a silly plot, but it's a lot more fun than a Stewart Lee gig.

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I'm a total lefty & I love Who Dares Wins. It's part of my childhood, one of the first movies I was allowed to stay up late & watch.

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The problem is that left-wingers and liberals dominate the media (as a journalist I can testify to this) and as a result tend to push their views on any given subject onto the general public. As WDW has anti-nuke, 'peace' campaigners as its protaganists it gets up their nose and offends their sensibilities therefore it must be a terrible film.

I said in another post that at the time this film was made CND was throwing bricks at Michael Heseltine (very peaceful), Militant tendancy was trying to gain control of the Labour party, the unions were rioting on an almost daily basis and Tony Benn, Michael Foot et al were steering Labour towards its now infamous 1983 manifesto. Left-wing radicalism was happening. Saying that this radiacalism could manifest itself in terrorism was not completely implausable at the time, though granted it was very unlikely.

WDW is an action film with an unlikely but believable plot - just like Die Hard, Lethal Weapon, Speed, Face/Off or any other action filmyou might care to mention. The acting isn't great and I think it is far from the best British film of the last 25 years but it is an entertaining way to spend a couple of hours. Just remember that it is a flim, not a party political broadcast.

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Regardless of it's politics I think Who Dares Wins captures the atmosphere of the time perfectly. I watched the Iranian Embassy seige from accross the street and remember IRA bombs going off in London. WDW seems to perfectly evoke that early 80s brooding menace, the two leads are edgey, kind of tragic, especially Judy Davis, and the music especially hit the right note.

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It's an unusual British film in that it actually has British soldiers as the good guys instead of the poor old misunderstood IRA.

Britain must be the only country in the world that hates itself.

Too many left-wingers and hand wringing namby pamby politicians.

It's not a great film but it's a good action thriller with an outstanding final action sequence that is both exciting and very well done.

Give me this anyday over a bloody Derek Jarman or Ken Loach production.

Was it a millionaire who said "Imagine no possessions"?

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