Boring.....YAWN...


Is this crap what passes for artsy-fartsy bunk? This was too long and boring. Ego took over, and it showed. Story was dumb. The motives for what these people did were so selfish. Emilie marrying a strict bishop after having been married to a free-spirited and theatrical artist?...Oh, yeah, THAT was a wise choice! Celebrating children of extra-marital affairs with servants? Sure, that is a great influence in impressionable young children. Go ahead, cheat in your spouse and celebrate the product of the unholy union. Why not just say they are hedonists and don't believe in the commitment and fidelity to your chosen spouse.
Cinematography was excellent, though.

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Seems like you didn't get it.

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I'm in the middle of watching the 5 hour and 20 minute version. It's actually better, and explains more than the shorter version. Maybe it would answer your concerns.

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I do not think so. It would rather worsen them. The film is not for people who cannot understand something more serious than Jackie Chan movies.

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I belive you meant Jackie Chan, and his movies are great as well. One can like both smart dramas and fun action movies.

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@ Strazdamonas 21 minutes ago

I agree. I also like action films.

My comment was meant for the OP.

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Go ahead, cheat in your spouse and celebrate the product of the unholy union.
I don't think he was cheating. I think the wife was very aware of his extra-marital liaison. An open marriage perhaps?

I guess we can't interest you in the 5 hour version?🐭

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"Unholy union"? What century are you writing from?

And what's wrong with hedonism?

I suspect five hours with the Eckdahl family is an eyeblink compared to five minutes with you.



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Nothing to see here, move along.

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Story was dumb. The motives for what these people did were so selfish. Emilie marrying a strict bishop after having been married to a free-spirited and theatrical artist?...Oh, yeah, THAT was a wise choice!

A year had passed since her husband's death, she was looking for answers and a meaning to her existence. Where to find that in rural Sweden in 1907 or 1908? In the church of course, which turns out to be false. She realizes her mistake but the morals of the time dictate she must suffer in silence with her abusive, control-freak husband, even at the risk of her kids being tormented and physically abused.

Celebrating children of extra-marital affairs with servants? Sure, that is a great influence in impressionable young children

Yes, it's much better to lie and pretend it didn't happen, much better to shun the bastard child and live in a fantasy world where nothing bad happens. [rolls eyes]

Go ahead, cheat in your spouse and celebrate the product of the unholy union. Why not just say they are hedonists and don't believe in the commitment and fidelity to your chosen spouse

My parents have been married for 65 years. They should have never married in the first place (he knocked her up, to prevent your laughable concept of a "unholy union" they got married), they had and still have nothing in common. Instead, because they bought in to your lame bourgeois morality, they've stayed together, making each other and everyone around them miserable in the process.

But damn those hedonists!!!!

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Maybe OP is the Cardinals Ghost.

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After watching the first part i would have agreed with you on the topic, but after seeing the rest i would disagree. The movie was quite intense and unforgiving, and i respect that.

The motives for what these people did were so selfish.

So then just like every single human on earth?

Emilie marrying a strict bishop after having been married to a free-spirited and theatrical artist?...Oh, yeah, THAT was a wise choice!

She needed order in her life and Oscars death removed order, while in the theater she was just changing masks, as she says. She made a foolish choice and paid for it dearly. A choice many young women make.

Celebrating children of extra-marital affairs with servants? Sure, that is a great influence in impressionable young children.

Historical accuracy takes precedent over what you or anyone else deems suitable for children. The "Think of the children" fallacy needs to die as quickly and painfully as possible.

Go ahead, cheat in your spouse and celebrate the product of the unholy union.

Mariages among wealthy families back then were mostly done out of trade and not love, thus it was common and acceptable for both parties to have lovers while the marriage was more of a formal affair.

Lol, "unholy union". Dont tell me you are one of those religiuos types?

Why not just say they are hedonists and don't believe in the commitment and fidelity to your chosen spouse.

But then the movie would be far shorter!




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But I feel that the OP made a good point about Gusten's many infidelities... Even if you got married for another reason than love (and we don't know if that even was the case with Gusten and Alma), it is never a good thing to keep cheating on your spouse. Things still happen some times, of course. And in some cases, it is more or less understandable that they come to happen. But in the case of Gusten, I don't think that he even was unhappy with his wife. But he was a sexoholic, who could not stop himself from sleeping around with this string of different women. Maj was not his first lover outside his marriage, and she probably wasn't the last one either.

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