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Alex Cox's review is ridiculous.


I knew that Alex Cox hated F& A, calling it the nadir of Bergman's filmmaking. But I just tonight read his review (you can see it here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2006/jan/07/film).

His first three paragraphs are evah-so-scholarly, but then he descends abruptly into pettiness, and stays there till the end.

Everyone's entitled to an opinion, and I don't care if people don't love the films I love. However, it never fails to annoy me when people drag in details which aren't even correct to support their negative positions.

Alex Cox: "[Fanny & Alexander] has more butlers, maids, and servants than three Merchant Ivory films put together."

Dare I suggest that the presence of multiple servants in wealthy households in 1907 is actually quite historically accurate? (And...butlers? Was there even ONE butler in the film? I don't recall any male servants, offhand.)

"There is a farting paedophile, but no harm befalls the Ekdahl children when they are left alone with him."

Carl was many things, most of them not pleasant. But in what way was he a pedophile and/or someone children shouldn't be alone with?! The inaccuracies of Cox's review aren't just silly, they're suspect... he just bestowed one of the most inflammatory epithets in existence onto a character, for no reason!

Is it possible he mistook Carl's drunken ramblings to Petra at dinner? (Something not even included in the theatrical version; I don't think Cox even saw the long/TV version.) I didn't have the sense that Petra - who is an adult, not a child, first of all - was being sexually menaced by Carl; she was bored and annoyed, and she ignored him. I have some male relatives who act exactly like that at family dinners. They're not hitting on me, for gods' sake; they're just drunk, self-piteous, loquacious, and looking for an audience.

"The family travel everywhere by sleigh, in a city which appears to have been designed by Thomas Kinkade, painter of light."

Well, we all know that European cities are so rarely picturesque... Come on, Mr. Cox. That was just weak.

We also know how nonsensical it was to travel by sleigh, back in horse-drawn days with two feet of snow on the ground. I mean, the Ekdahl family would be just SO much less annoying if they would travel some other way, such as... um... hmmm.

"No one appears to have a job, except for the children's parents, Oscar and Emilie, who are both actors."

Helena is also an actress (semi-retired). Gustav Adolf is a restauranteur, Carl is a professor (if I remember correctly), Isak and Aron are thriving businessmen, and the Bishop is, you know, a Bishop. Are there any male characters in this film who don't have jobs, excepting the mad and cloistered Ishmael? The non-actress women are either servants or presumably well-to-do homemakers; it's 1907 after all. Although two of the young women do plan to start a business at the end of the film.

In short, what the hell is Cox talking about? Did he not pay attention when everyone's profession was demonstrated or discussed? And didn't it occur to him that he's often seeing them specifically during their leisure times? Doesn't he get vacation at Christmas and in the summer? (Yes, he was also peeved about them going on a boat trip; how dare they and how dare Bergman.)

"You will not be surprised to learn that tearful Oscar dies shortly thereafter, apparently felled by an excess of sentimentality."

Wow. Really? That was... I'll just be polite and call it, 'Pointlessly snotty.'

"Maybe everybody lit their homes with chandeliers and had 10ft Christmas trees in Sweden in 1907. But I doubt it."

Since when are the well-to-do, artistic, eccentric Ekdahls 'everybody?' They aren't, nor are they supposed to be. They have a large, beautiful house (as does the Bishop, though his interiors are much simpler and more ascetic). Why wouldn't there be chandeliers? Why wouldn't Helena have a large tree for her large family's enthusiastic Christmas celebration?

Cox can doubt whether this was the norm or not, but I don't know who's trying to tell him that it is. We are obviously NOT viewing a typical Swedish household when we see the Ekdahls' sumptuous interiors, their unconventional sexual sophistication and openness, their warm and untroubled social intercourse with lower-class actors, servants, and Jews.

Oh, I almost forgot... Cox was annoyed that people wore white for the boat trip. I know, can you believe it! Turn-of-the-century wealthy people, wearing white, while boating in summer - it's simply an outrage to cinema. Thus, Fanny and Alexander = Bergman's artistic nadir, duh.


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What you have to understand about Alex Cox is that he is a Marxist and therefore pre-disposed to oppose anything that doesn't accord with his political beliefs, regardless of its qualities. Happily, the rest of us are much less dogmatic and are able to appreciate Fanny & Alexander for what it is: a masterpiece by a genius.

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Well, I'm a Socialist, and it's my favorite film. I don't know how being on the left would make someone predisposed to dislike it.

And really, I don't care if he doesn't like it; that's just personal taste, etc. What irks me is that his criticisms of it were based on points of fact which were so often inaccurate in the first place. I thought his review was weak and silly for this reason.

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I'm left wing too but that's quite distinct from being a Marxist.

My point is that Cox's personal brand of politics blinds him to the film's virtues. Someone like Cox sees a drama full of upper middle class people, with all their servants and so on, and believes that unless the film then goes on to undermine, criticise and reject those bourgeois values that it cannot be "a good film".

You can see a similar position taken on a monthly basis in Sight & Sound magazine. Other examples are the Aurum Film Encyclopedias and, to a lesser extent, Time Out magazine.

Now, I've nothing against a film which pushes a left wing point of view, or a right wing point of view for that matter. If it's a good film, it's a good film. Unlike Cox, I have no axe to grind.

I came up against his kind of thinking a lot when I did my post-grad degree in Film. Universities tend to be pretty left-wing instituions but there tended to be a belief that a film couldn't possibly be good, or of any value unless, it had a leftist slant.

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My point is that Cox's personal brand of politics blinds him to the film's virtues. Someone like Cox sees a drama full of upper middle class people, with all their servants and so on, and believes that unless the film then goes on to undermine, criticise and reject those bourgeois values that it cannot be "a good film".

Ah, I see. I often encounter people flinging around the word 'Marxist' wildly inaccurately (e.g., 'Obama is a Marxist!' - oh please), and I also see people (conservatives) on these boards referring to everything they don't like about a film as 'liberal' and dragging in politics in the most nonsensical ways, so I probably assumed the same of you. I really appreciate your courteous response and clarification.


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I wonder what Cox thought of Topsy-Turvy, an opulent extravaganza full of well-dressed well-to-dos, realized by a anarcho-socialist filmmaker.

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Alex Cox can say anything he wants the morning he comes up with anything that's even in the vicinity of being in the same ballpark as Bergman. Until then, he can just STFU...

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Well, I don't think that. I think critics have the right to criticize. A person need not be a filmmaker to comment, for good or ill, on Bergman or anyone else's films.

However, I do think people should point out when critics spout nonsense.


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I think Bergman would be the first to acknowledge Cox's criticisms, he was a pretty self-critical filmmaker and comparing his Virgin Spring to a bad Kurosawa knockoff. Also, Bergman wasn't shy about criticizing his contemporaries at the time, his take down of Jean-Luc Godard is pretty incendiary and the director who died the same day as him got some pretty choice words from Bergman (Antonioni). So, Cox's criticisms I don't necessarily buy them, I think the movie is great, but Bergman would be the first to welcome open criticism like that.

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I have no problem with open criticism. I am puzzled by factually inaccurate criticism, which is why I posted about Alex Cox's review at all.


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I agree. His review was just full of inaccurate nonsense. What got me the most is the part where he criticized the family for travelling with sleighs in the winter and the city for being "too pittoresque". Well that's how Uppsala looks like darling, like it or not. It's not an industrial working-class grey town, it's full of old beautiful buildings. And how else are you going to move around in the snow if not by sleigh? Especially in 1907! Even nowadays Swedes uses sleighs when there is too much snow around to take the car. Such idiotic things to hold against a movie. I can't take anything he writes seriously.

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didn't know they died on the same day, that's incredible

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Wow, I too disliked this film, but most of that was just nonsense.

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About the part of the fathers death: I thought tragedy strikes because "Macbeth" is said in the theater.

For those unaware: performers never speak out the name "Macbeth" in a theater, because of the fear of impending tragedy.
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The play they are rehearsing is not Macbeth, it's Hamlet. It's also a tragedy and one that fits very well in the movie's overall theme and is even mentioned before later when the mother, after marrying for the second time, tells Alexander that he is not Hamlet, she is not Queen Gertrude, and the bishop is not the king of Denkmark.

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I agree with the others. I like a lot of Cox's writing, but this is reviewing through the lens of politics, even if he never says it explicitly. His problems are purely a question of class, the history of radical cinema and theater (he's referencing Alfred Jarre's Per Ubu for God sakes) and, perhaps, his disappointment in the turn Bergman's work took here in his Opus.

What many consider stylized and imaginary memory and reflection transformed into heart felt art Cox considers an old man's sentimental send off, and he won't forgive Ingmar for it. So be it.

But you can't really experience a movie unless you're willing to meet it half way on its own terms. Bergman clearly went back to his earliest roots of storytelling for this, Dickens, the Gothic, Supernatural, Nordic fairy tales, Shakespeare and the bible. Yes, they can be sentimenatal, black and white, children's tales. He did this in a classic Greek form, only 5 acts instead of 3, and it was a fine move; he had already pushed the cinematic form further for a mass audience than anyone ever had before him except for maybe Bunuel. He was entitled to walk a straight line and tell the tale of his childhood with an emotional truth in any way he chose, as long it was entertaining...and it is.

That being said, I defy Cox to watch the scene with Alexander and Ismael and not see Bergman in his finest form as he explores the supernatural, anxiety, the mystery of the human psyche, love, hate, our deepest primal desires, and the mysteries around us we live in but can never really hope to understand.

Perhaps later, if Cox is ever freed of his politics for a moment, he'll be able to see this. Until then, pity him, he's simply missing out on one of the truly great films that brings joy and further understand of the life we try and live with every viewing.

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alex cox sux. fanny and alexander is a masterpiece. and bergman is/was much more of a genius than cox will ever b.

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I think what didn't register with Cox, is "Fanny and Alexander" being a film about the lifetime influences of childhood memory; life seen and remembered from the perspective of children, even if the viewer is sometimes given scenes where only adults are present.

The feeling of the film, itself, has the vaguely mysterious, storytelling air, of old, long neglected memories. The houses are big and the textures and colors in them vivid and larger-than-life. The adults are strange mysteries and often terrifying. Mom is the most beautiful woman in The World, but her behavior sometimes leaves much to be understood; her motives sometimes seeming hidden because childhood innocence is unable to fill-in all the blanks.

Childhood intuition for the sinister, hiding behind legitimacy, is also shown, when kids get bad vibes from bad people and notice the hardness and cruel nature that adults have grown too dull to pick-up on. But other information, like sexual knowledge, doesn't register, so some adult behavior seems confusingly sensual, bizzare and disconcerting; their persons ambiguous and androgynous. With vulnerability and limited information, some experiences are panic-inducing and some adult behavior is mystifying. Ghosts and stories mix with reality. Adults belie personal fears that they think kids aren't clever enough to pick-up on. Mean adults will be cemented in infamy, forever, in a child's life (like a mean teacher who picked on you or a family friend who was a bully; they will be remembered for the fear and loathing they prompted, even after they long forget the damage they caused).

There's also a distinct, "out of time" quality to this film, which is really meant to show a turning point in Western culture, where life would soon never be the same again. In 20 years' time, everything would change drastically with the introduction of new technology, medical advances and a radical shift in dress and styles. The bustle and corset would soon go from regular staples in daily dressing, to the realm of costume wear. Social attitudes would shift in ways that would render some of the social interactions in this film, forever archaic. Advances in mass media distribution would slowly phase-out the oldest, weirdest, isolated traditions of cultures, countries and their populations. The World of "Fanny and Alexander" was on the cusp of combusting into the ether of time, as close and distant as the hazy, cluttered memories in a filmaker's mind, more than 70 years later. With all its oddness and occasional excessiveness, the qualities of childhood memory are perfectly captured in this film. I can't say I love it, but I love parts of it, really appreciate the interesting atmosphere it builds and think it's definitely one of a kind.

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Is this the same Alex Cox who directed "Emmanuelle: A Hard Look", a "documentary about the Emmanuelle movies, looking at their making as well as their social and cultural impact"?

His review was basically a complaint that the movie was too long & had a bigger budget than he could ever hope for....and was significantly more creative than anything he has ever conjured up.

His contempt for the film because he despises opulence demonstrates what a simple-minded twat he is...and simple-minded twats understand nothing of Marxism, and this is clearly evident in his "review."

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I totally understand where Alex Cox is coming from. He hits the nail on the head for most of the film. The film redeems itself in the final act, only to regress again in the epilogue.

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