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An Incredible Film..If Only the First half was Cut Down.


If the first half was cut down to be just a third or even a quarter of the movie's total duration I would say Fanny and Alexander could quite possibly be 'One of the greatest Movies in Cinema'. Alongside Persona, Amadeus and Citizen Kane - the latter which interestingly Bergman despised.
I battled to get through the first half. I mean there were just so many scenes that didn't seem necessary to the plot of this Bergman's great fairytale movie. Forget the 5 hour version if the three hour version left so many trivial scenes in.

The second half left me speechless. There were so many Stanley Kubrick moments in this. The Shining, Clockwork Orange,Eyes Wide Shut and especially Barry Lydon came to mind. I wonder if there was any relationship between them or either had influenced the other or spoken about it. There was even reminders of Polanski's work such as Rosemary's baby, Repulsion and the Tenant. I wouldn't hesitate to put this in my top 10 movies if that first half had undergone some 'Holywood' trimming. I know that probably is offensive in of itself to say that but I thought I should get all this off my chest. But as it is, I see this as probably my 4th or 5th favourite Bergman movie after Winter Light, Persona, Wild Strawberries and The Seventh Seal.

Mind you, I can't wait to see it again although I'm dreading having to get through the first half to await the masterpiece that which is the second half of the movie.

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Really? I wished for a great part of the 2nd half was cut down.

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I just watched it (the theatrical version) and have to agree with you. I was actually prepared to be let down by such a highly acclaimed film, but once it got into what is essentially the main plot I was hooked. I now feel like going on a binge of Bergman's films.

I'll take your list into consideration. The only ones I've seen so far are Persona and The Seventh Seal, but it's been a long time since I've watched them.

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I feel relieved someone else felt similar.

Enjoy that Bergman binge! I would say that 'Wild Strawberries' is probably his most accessible film and in my opinion a must see. I also recommend after you see a Bergman film to watch the 'Breaking Down Bergman' review of the film on You Tube. For example 'Breaking down' Wild Strawberries is here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il_wa3BogAc

I would be very interested to know what you think of his other films. Cheers.

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You pretty much summed up my one complaint concerning the film. I know others will disagree and probably even love the longest version available. Have you seen that version?

Currently, Bergman, Kurosawa, and Andrei Tarkovsky are the directors I would like to explore the most. I've been familiar with Bergman for some time now but probably haven't appreciated him as much as I should.

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I haven't seen the longest version. I doubt it's easily available. Although there are discussions about it here on this forum.

I liked Kurosawa's Seven Samurai and loved Ikiru. I couldn't get through all of Andrei Tarkovsky's Andrei Rublev although Bergan adored it. I have others of his to watch such as Stalker.

Can I suggest also'Tokyo Story' by Yasujirô Ozu. That and Ikiru are simply brilliant.

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I've seen Tokyo Story ad Ikiru and love them both. Ran and Throne of Blood are the next two Kurosawa films I would like to see.

Stalker is a pretty uneventful film, but I still enjoyed it. Tarkovsky films-the ones I've seen- have a certain feel and pacing to them. Both Stalker and Solaris are interesting films based on terrific science fiction novels.

It looks Criterion has the 312 minutes version of Fanny and Alexander.

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Tokyo Story is exceptional as is Ikiru.

I havent seen Solaris nor Stalker. I'm not that keen on the longer version of Fanny atm but I have to see the original again. Have you seen Ordet from Denmark?

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I meant to watch Ordet a while back after watching The Passion of Joan of Arc. It's available on Youtube, and I was going to watch it but ended up watching an earlier Dreyer film.

I just starting to watch more of Bergman. I recently watched Winter Light, The Passion of Anna, and Magic Flute. Winter Light was a really good film; one of my favorites by him so far.

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Winter Light is my favourite Bergman movie atm. Persona and Wild Strawberries follow a very close second.

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I just finished Autumn Sonata, and I personally put it slightly ahead of Winter Light. They're both great films, but Autumn Sonata resonated with me more.

This Bergman bender is going very well so far. The next film will probably be Cries and Whispers. I feel late to the club-especially since I used to be a film major-but Bergman is rapidly becoming one of my favorite directors.

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Cries and Whispers is extremely powerful, because it feels so real. I liked Autumn Sonata (the piano scene is my favourite part), but not enough to put it in my top 5 Bergman. Scenes from a Marriage is excellent if you happen to come across it.

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I just got Scenes From A Marriage today and will probably start watching it on Monday. I don't know about where you live but Criterion dvds are pretty pricey over here unless you get them online. Anyway, I'm really looking forward to watching Scenes From a Marriage.

I also got Wild Strawberries, another great film by Bergman. That one is definitely in my top 5 by him.

Have you seen most of Bergman's films?

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Did you end up seeing Scenes?

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I did. It was a really good series.

I've taken a break from Bergman since watching it, but his earlier films are still on my list of films to watch.

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Definitely recommend 'Smiles of a Summer Night'. It's quite different from anything else I've seen from him. On my to watch list from early Bergman is The Virgin Spring, Summer With Monika and The Magician.
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Smiles of a Summer Night and Summer with Monika are on my list. I actually purchased The Magician shortly after acquiring Scenes from a Marriage.

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I see you got around to watching The Magician and gave it the same rating I did. It has a very interesting story and elements that put it close to a 9 or even a 10, but there was something missing; something I haven't been able to put my finger on yet.

I'll probably end up getting the Ingmar Bergman Trilogy by the end of the year. You've seen the three films in that set, right?

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Hey caller,

I saw these two early Bergman films in the last couple of days. Here are my brief thoughts about them:

The Virgin Spring (1960)
This is essential Bergman. It is wrenching and disturbing, but what impresses me the most of this film is that it can be so utterly powerful by using so little. The pace, subtlety and rich characters just draw you in so well. The less you know about it going in, the better. I'm looking forward to seeing it again.

The Magician (1958)
There are elements of this film I really loved, but as whole it didn't come together so well. Bergman seems to be experimenting and playing games with the audience, making something dark, appear light - an illusion by the filmmaker. It's a conceptual film nearly devoid of genre. Definitely recommend for those who enjoy Bergman. (so we did share similar thoughts about this one)

I have the Devil's Eye (1960)to watch next, which looks a lighter change. Unfortunately, I can't get a hold of Summer with Monika as yet.

I saw the Bergman trilogy a couple of years ago and I need to rewatch them. I wasn't overly fussed with Through a Glass Darkly or the Silence. I fell in love with Winter Light which is probably my favourite Bergman film. I have watched it at least 4 times and I can't wait to relive the experience over and over. Let us know how you enjoy the movies if you end up watching them.

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I haven't seen the longest version. I doubt it's easily available. Although there are discussions about it here on this forum.

This is your assignment. Go watch the television version. It's easily available from Criterion on Blu-ray and has been for years.

The TV version is by far better than the theatrical version. Yes, it's 5 hours but I cannot imagine not seeing everything when I watch the film every December.

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I just watched the five hour+ "TV" version of Fanny & Alexander and with the exception of the scene where Isak reads Fanny & Alexander the loooooooonnnnnngggggg story, I loved the additions to the more familiar to me "theater" version. Things like Edvard's two dead daughters visiting Alexander in the attic, Oscar's chair story and especially the confrontation between Edvard and Carl & Gustav Adolf (completely cut out in the shorter version) are fantastic additions.

To use an above example, in the "TV" version, since we never see the scene with Edvard's two dead daughters, I tended to give more weight to the "Edvard imprisoned them and they drowned trying to escape" story that Alexander tells. But that scene makes a crucial point: Alexander makes stuff up and flat-out lies, which colors his interactions for the rest of the movie.

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I've only seen the 5-hour version. It's my #3 movie of all time.

It's possible that in cutting down the first act, for your particular tastes, less became even less. For one thing, the more time we spend with the family as a happy family, the more heartbreaking what follows becomes. And so the first act, which IIRC is about 1:45 in the long version, is entirely the Christmas Eve and Christmas celebration of the family. There's no plot at all, per se. Just incredible character stuff, establishing who everyone is and what their relationships are, and jaw-dropping production design and cinematography. Only one scene, between Carl and his wife where he alternately abuses her verbally and apologizes (I'm not sure how much of that is in the theatrical cut), seems to have some fat that could be trimmed.

There are about 40 or 45 minutes missing from the theatrical cut that Bergman thought were absolutely essential, and about as many that he thought were valuable; the remaining 30 to 40 minutes he thought were inessential but worthwhile. You should really try it next.

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I agree. When watching the first part in the 5 hour version i though this was going to be average at best and i just got myself into another 3.5 hours of boredom (i always finish movies i start), but the second part picked up at the end and the second half kept me glued to the monitor to the point where it felt like time skipped and that i always consider a quality of a good movie.



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I watched it for the first time tonight (christmas eve) ..the 5 hr 21 min version.. I somewhat agree, I thought it started somewhat slow and wasn't going any where but around the 1 hr 45/ 2 hr mark it started to pick up. I also agree that this slow start gave us a chance to take in the identity of the family.

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I have only seen the miniseries and could barely get trough the first episode (90 minutes long). I only kept watching because everyone raves about F&A. I didn't care nor did I remember the faces of any of the characters from the first episode outside of the kids and the mother.

It only gets good once the mother marries with the Bishop (the second episode).

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