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Disturbing, at times... Boring, thoroughly


I don't think this film's all its cracked up to be. It just seemed to go on and on in my opinion.

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You obviously have no place criticizing this film.

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He's saying his opinion bill. The style of the movie might not appeal to everyone, but that doesn't mean you have to call him incapable of having an opinion. I think it had good moments, but I didn't like patchwork documentary style.

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I agree.

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i think it's the best kind of documentary, as it simply lays out the information for all to see, without unnecessary commentary. the opening scenes give the viewer a feeling for the times, and from that basis proceed to show footage of increasingly historic value. it makes farenheit 911 look like an infomercial.

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Same here: I think it's a great documentary... there's lots of stuff here that most people will never have seen before, and the contrast between what was said back then and the reality is often striking.

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I disagree. If you think this film is boring, you don't get it and shouldn't be watching it. Go watch an Adam Sandler movie or an episode of "Two and a Half Men" because those are more on your line of intellect. You don't have the attention span that is necessary to understand films like this and could never appreciate them as a result because you cannot underdstand the context. You probably think "The Economist" is lame because it doesn't have enough pictures or C-Span is boring because its all about politics. Go back to your bread and your circuses and leave the real thinking to people like us.

Now, here comes the flood of "lighten up" and "you're ignorant." People on this website are way too predictable.

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Go back to your bread and your circuses and leave the real thinking to people like us.


I can only hope that one day you'll pick up on the fact that the only real hope for civilization is that people who are capable of "real thinking" (as you put it) can think well enough to try to win over the people fixated on the "bread and circuses" you mention.

I wouldn't call you ignorant so much as arrogant. And, yes, I'm writing that more in sorrow than in anger: I, too, would doubtless feel better about myself if I could write off large portions of the human race. But while such an action would stoke my ego, it's not going to help the world be less of a cesspool.

Believe me, I understand where you're coming from, but it's wrong to write people off just because they think that the NFL (or whatever) is the Meaning of Life and that there's no need to look any further to find a worthwhile purpose to their existence. If you think you "know better," then its well worth your efforts to try to win these people over, even if your efforts don't necessarily work all the time. It's a very big "marketplace of ideas" out there, and if your ideas are any good, I'd like to think that people will be receptive to them, and that they'll stand the test of time.

It's all too easy to seal yourself off in an Ivory Tower today. Unfortunately for people like you (and me, too, for that matter) our fates are all intertwined. Smugly insisting that "we" have a monopoly on being correct and everyone else can Just Go Hang is only going to serve to further get our collective ass in a sling.


PS: I think The Economist is lame not because of any lack of pictures, but because they advocate gun control, a position that reveals itself, time and again, as hopelessly naïve. Bad guys never suffer from a lack of arms and all gun control ever does is help ensure that law-abiding citizens will suffer (and greatly) when faced with those same bad guys.

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Well put, and I agree with you on gun control.Its an English magazine, what do you expect. Its pretty conservative otherwise.

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toucansam3 was arrogant ,on the other hand, I don't see anything wrong with writing off "people who think that the NFL (or whatever) is the Meaning of Life and that there's no need to look any further to find a worthwhile purpose to their existence" given that these people have already essentially written off everything & everyone outside their own narrow world. One thing worse than being arrogant because you think you are smarter than everyone else is gaining a sense of self satisfaction from voluntary stupidity (people may not get to choose their IQ but they can choose how they use, neglect to use or misuse the intelligence they have).No one with a life that limited should be judging anything or anyone outside his/her own ignorant little world. None of this is a comment re. the person starting this thread, I have no idea how broad or narrow minded he/she may be.

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It like my old union boss said, "You can't take people's right to be stupid away from them."

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I find it hard to believe that anyone could describe this film as being boring. It is certainly disturbing, often amusing and always enlightening. Some of the nuclear test stock footage chilled me to the core, as did most of the public information clips.
In the light of current events, I'd say watch this masterpiece again. It truly depicts the nature of governmental propaganda, and the lengths to which the 'powers that be' are willing to go in the name of pacification.
Scary astonishing stuff!

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Very much so. That's the idea -- to show how powerful fear is: to show what is possible. People at fear do the worst that they ever do. The nazis and Stalinists acted out of malicious fear -- not courage.

I must admit, though: the Rosenbergs were guilty of some deliberate and damaging breaches of national security on behalf of a thug regime (Stalin's Soviet Union), and attempting to whitewash their spy ring as innocent victims of a political frenzy proves mistaken. It was effective, if wrong, in view of the tone of the documentary.

What I most note is the official response to the danger of nuclear war: to cover the fear with artificial cheer and survivalistic optimism. In the end, the smarmy optimism is shown to have been completely inadequate as a response to the danger of the nukes, not that any other response would have been more successful.

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Actually, the Rosenbergs were given many "outs" to avoid execution, as the prosecutors were quite aware that they might become useful martyrs in the Soviet propaganda war. The Soviets, of course, were eager to have them executed. Good Party zombies, they obeyed Moscow's instructions to ensure they would be executed. Rosenberg even asked for a rabbi and played up a religious angle, on instructions from the Party (quite contrary to his personal beliefs). It simply shows the lengths to which people were willing to go in their service to Stalin.

Ethel Rosenberg was, on the balance of the evidence, no more than a patsy who took instructions she could not have understood, mostly out of loyalty to her husband. She certainly should not have been executed. Julius definitely did treasonous acts in the service of evil, and was guilty of crimes against the human race. But he was one among many, and the execution of such people serves no purpose other than to hand a false moral credibility to the enemies of humanity. It would have been far more intelligent to stuff him in a prison, where eventually disillusionment would have moved him to give valuable information about the Party and its espionage.

Civilized people do not employ the death penalty. Espionage trials involving the death penalty merely create a three-ring circus that gives a boost to totalitarianism.

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I agree it is good and informative but way too long, and that makes it a bit
boring



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its a different style to be sure. no narration which takes some getting used to, and iirc, that was very rare for then, the material speaks for itself i guess. sometimes it does drag on, but the final minutes with lizst's hungarian rhapsody no. 2 providing a musical score to an atomic holocaust is well worth the wait.

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I think this is definitely one of those movies you have to watch with a group of friends. I wasn't bored one moment through the entire thing, and neither were any of the 7 other people I saw it with. It was at once hilarious and terrifying.

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This movie is not for everyone... It is obvious you should be watching Hollywood blockbusters...

I want you to hold it between your knees!

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I thoroughly enjoyed this film!
This thread is funny though. Everyone seems to suppose they have some right or ability to tell others whether a film is good or not and then extrapolate from their opinion, that they are an idiot etc.?!
In my opinion, the only idiots are the ones doing this.
It is subjective people! we all know that!
chill

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I had kind of the same feeling. I remember how popular it was during the eighties and so had expected it to be more engrossing. The other issue is that we have the vantage point of two decades and the end of the cold war to realise that what made this movie "tick" with audiences during the early eighties is absent now as a serious or even mild threat. An atomic war is just not going to happen unless the Globalist Cabal (the Illuminati) ALLOWS it to happen!






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Some moviegoers prefer an omniscient narrator; it cuts down on the amount of work they have to do for themselves and imposes a ready-made frame. But contrary to initial appearances, this is not one damn thing after another. Rather, it's a cogent deconstruction of American efforts to domesticate the nuclear threat, to glamorize it yet also to seek to make it familiar, homey and controllable. What is highlighted above all else is a nation's flight from reality. That's what all those incongruous references to sport, romance and domestic normality are about.

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