They never explain that, do they? And how does the Voyagers institution KNOW what history is supposed to be like? Also, wouldn't they eventually fix everything? I mean, there's a bunch of Voyagers out there, right? It seems like eventually they'd run out of things to fix. Lets hear some theories.
shareHaving just bought the complete DVD for my brother for Xmas, we have been watching and wondering the same things. Here's what we've got so far...
1.) The timelines Bogg and Jeff visit are alternate timelines, the voyagers are trying to bring all alternate timelines to be the same. Why, with one season we never found out. Maybe the voyagers were a sinister organization, or maybe they just believe their timeline to be the "RIGHT" one and want all others to match.
2.) The simple act of time travel causes disruptions, from minute to large in the timeline, and the voyagers are kind of a clean up crew. As long as the voyagers are there to patch things up, there are no significant changes.
3.) Voyagers were cops, but they didn't have the only time machines. Other time travellers, whether they're just tourists or had darker motives are mucking up the past and the voyagers are there to police and make sure things go the right way.
4.) Some kind of conspiracy within the voyager agency itself. It's been a while, but the guy that wanted to incriminate Bogg, maybe he had more plans than just beinga generic villain. Maybe they printed out false guidebooks, so that other voyagers are "fixing" the timelines and building a world where they will be in power. But Bogg and Jeffrey are flying without one, and Jeffrey's knowledge is correct enough that they are becoming a major thorn in the sides of the conspirators.
Anyway, that's all I have right now. Glad to see there are fans out there.
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Hey great ideas, you should consider writing fanfiction for it, there are plenty of stories up on fanfiction.net
I used Drake-The generic villain and created this villanious group called Paradox that do pretty much what you thought as far as changing time lines to be in power. Made a trilogy of AU adventures
anyway, that's just a thought for ya!
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I actually like 2 and 3 the most. Of ocurse, 2 and 3 seemt be the same thing. The Voyagers are thee to fix problems intorduced by TIem Travelers, rather intentional or not. (Thus maign them Cops of sorts.)
For instance, usign other Tiem TRavel shows as an example, Doctor Who shows up, mucks about on Earth, and leaves. All of the sudden, due to the Butterlfy effect, 500 years later we see Hitler and Stalin team up to win World War 2, and the world Succumbing. The Doctor didn't intentionally change hisotyr, but managed to anyway. Welp, off goes Bogg, to set thigns right.
Conversly, soem alter history for reasisn that are mroe Nefarious.
I'd go with those.
Thanks:) Part one was my first foray into writing for Voyagers! and I was a little shaky. I was trying to establish everything, but my ideas took off later on as my writing continued to improve. I love writing and I just keep it up, hopefully getting better each time. I think you're right, the Voyagers are like 'Time Cops.' Remember that movie?
Yeah, there are probably many out there with ulterior and wicked motives for changing Earth's history, I was trying to explore that a little. The time travel genre has many options.
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I like ideas #2 & #3, particularly #2.
I suppose its The Butterfly Effect by any other name. Thus why I kind of squint at the idea of time travel becoming possible. Fate is full of so many choices, & the disruption of simply traveling in time would probably disrupt the overall timeline to a point that in order for it to be restored, you'd probably spend eternity fixing every little disruption that came about from all the meddling you'd done in just trying to fix things.
Don't forget, you had Drake, the rogue agent out there messing with history, such as with the Jack the Ripper episode. Perhaps he had sympathizers out there doing similar things.
Along with actively changing events by taking active roles in history, they could convince people in history to do things they weren't supposed to. For example, Babe Ruth decides to be a pitcher, a girl distracts the Wright Brothers or FDR decides to take up movie making. All these events could be set in motion by other agents acting on behalf of Drake.
That would leave a lot of constant cleanup.
The fact is, the series could have explored that plot more fully had the series continued. In fact, the last episode of the series actually hinted at that possibility when Drake's true motives were revealed.
It was stated that Jeffrey was supposed to have "an important future" with the Voyager organization. Perhaps his job would have eventually been to track down those rogue agents, including Drake, to stop them from altering history.
Babe Ruth WAS a pitcher, in addition to being the Sultan of swat.
He threw a 1-0 shutout in the 1918 World Series opening game.
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Here's my $0.05 cents added to the mix. What if rather than the 'VOYAGERS!' organization be some group of aliens from the planet Voyager - as hinted at in "VOYAGERS from the unknown"- what it they were a group of time observers, watchers, similar to D.C. comic's "Linear Men" who exist outside of time - and live neither in the past, present nor future; but in a simultaneous nexus.
Perhaps, all the Voyagers org. did for many years was monitor the various time-lines in parallel earths and proceeded to write the Voyager guidebook & create the Voyager school to (attempt) teach, and establish one plausible history foiund present in most, but not all the known (alternate) earths. But ofcourse, there will always be one earth (or reality) where things didn't turn out the same as the others- where things went wrong, or coccured the complete opposite as they should have - so a Voyagers' job will always be to try and change it.
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I like your 5 cents. That's my thought. I don't consider that hacked up rehash movie at all. I think the Voyagers are more like what you suggested. Time observers, humans that use other humans to keep history in line.
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In the episode with Harry Houdini, Bogg and Jeffrey land on the table during a seance. This then caused Houdini to believe in signs from the after-life, which he was seeking evidence of his entire life.
Jeffrey even looks at the omni, sees the green light, then when Houdini looks at Jeffrey, now Houdini believes in the after-life, the omni light goes red.
Jeffrey and Bogg essentially disrupted that timeline and had to straighten it out, but there were endless others in which whatever happened had already taken place.
I think the vast majority of things on Quantum Leap for example, if something was out of whack, Sam either did it or caused it, or there were some, maybe not a majority. I know in one episode he had to give Buddy Holly the lyrics to Peggy Sue, and that was it.
I think it would have been better had Bogg and Jeffrey been a little more involved in what was wrong with history, maybe.
In the Titanic episode, for example, the omni was red, but Bogg and Jeffrey had no way of knowing it was because the Mona Lisa was on the ship when it wasn't supposed to be.
A fan wrote his assumption on wikipedia and I found his idea to be quite clever:
In the process of inventing time machines there have been several models, Bogg's Omni being the most advanced one. Former time travellers who used the technology might have visited famous historical places and people and mixed things up. Now the "Voyagers" are sent to change all the things other travellers have changed. (We have to assume time travelling must have been possible for years in the future, since they managed to build a time machine the size of a watch).
Anyway, it's a pretty good theory, IMO. There's also a great time travelling story (Let's go to Golgotha by Garry Kilworth) that deals with a similar subject, about time travel tourists from the future who travel through time - like we travel to holiday destinations. There's one family who joins a group of tourists visiting Jesus Christ's crucifixion. They're all dressed like people from that time and are supposed to act exactly like the people around them. However, they do not realize that it's not Jewish Jerusalemites of 33 A.D that are cheering at his crucifixion, but only tourists from other time zones, dressed as inhabitants, while the people belonging to Jesus' time stay in their homes after Pontius Pilate ordered Jesus' crucifixion.
Scary story, but very well written. Really makes you think. Not exactly a Voyagers episode, though.
An intriguing episode of the newer Outer LImits had a good story dealing with time travel (actually two good episodes) as well as an interesting episode of Doctor Who when he visited Pompeii.
I'd have to look up the titles, but the first episode of Outer Limits dealt with two descendants of a Holacaust victime, one from 'the present' and the other from the future, attempting to incriminate the guard from the camp, each in his own way. The one from the future eventually tells who he is.
The two descendants (dressed as guards) and the guard as an elderly man (now force to dress as a prisoner) end up in the camp together, the elderly guard is shot by himself as a young man.
The Jewish ancestor in the camp, as we are shown at the beginning of the episode, witnesses his first wife killed, then his young daughter is whisked away and never seen again. He would eventually remarry upon being freed.
Turned out it was the two descendants who took away the girl and brought her to the present, where she met her father, called him grandfather, and he was now an old man. She bore the numerical tattoo markings.
A very good episode.
The second one, A Stitch In Time, starred Amanda Plummer and Michelle Forbes, where Plummer is going into the past and killing serial killers after they have been found guilty of crimes, but she kills them BEFORE they kill their first victim, thereby resulting in no victims.
Instead, what Forbes, the detective, finds herself with is odd little men being killed decades apart by the same weapon.
The final predator is the man who raped Plummer as a young girl. With his passing (and Plummer from the present is likewise shot and dies here), Plummer in the past isn't raped, so she doesn't go on her vengeance spree.
In the end, Forbes had a friend who now ended up as a killer's victim, since Plummer hadn't wiped out all the killers.
Forbes, a stronger woman, now took on the task to redo what Plummer had done.
This would actually have a follow up story with guest stars galore, among them Heston and Cicely Tyson as time judges of some sorts.
The interesting episode of Doctor Who, Fires of Pompeii, had his assistant, Donna, wanting to save the people of Pompeii, and he told her they couldn't, no one would believe them.
Donna thought him heartless, but then they learned that the Doctor himself would be the cause of the eruption, by pressing the lever that would release the built up energy. If he didn't, then the Earth would be destroyed.
Donna placed her hand on his and they pushed the lever together.
A Stitch In Time starred Amanda Plummer and Michelle Forbes, where Plummer is going into the past and killing serial killers after they have been found guilty of crimes, but she kills them BEFORE they kill their first victim, thereby resulting in no victims.
Instead, what Forbes, the detective, finds herself with is odd little men being killed decades apart by the same weapon.
The final predator is the man who raped Plummer as a young girl. With his passing (and Plummer from the present is likewise shot and dies here), Plummer in the past isn't raped, so she doesn't go on her vengeance spree.
In the end, Forbes had a friend who now ended up as a killer's victim, since Plummer hadn't wiped out all the killers.
Forbes, a stronger woman, now took on the task to redo what Plummer had done.
I still remember this episode, and it was brilliant and fantastic and very powerful imo.
I was reminded of this ep when I watched Minority Report, especially the part where Colin Farrell's character catches the ball that would have fallen if he hadn't, because it was destined to happen that way and interrupting it didn't change the reality, which is how/why Pre-Crime worked.
Sigs suck, and so do people who use them.
As someone else said the premise of this show was the butterfly effect. All it takes is one disruption of the time line to necessitate these adventures into the past and future they were bound to have to apply some continuous temporal mechanics solutions to solve for an eventual resolution which the abrupt end to the show made impossible to know. These were heady concepts for my mind at 9 years old but I took one thing away from this show a deep love of history. I would love for my 10 year old son to have a show like this with all of the garbage on T.V. these days we could easily go back to the old 7 or 8 channel days and succeed where most shows fail and teach kids to love to learn. I'll never forget the prologue statement at the end of the show that encouraged kids of all ages to seek out their local library for more information on the episodes subject. Parents spend too much time these days watching "reality" T.V. and leading fake lives. If you demand shows like Voyagers! they will produce them but if you want to American Idol and Dance with the Stars your a** off and allow others to teach your kids a liberal one world government agenda and how to speak Spanish when there aren't any cartoons teaching English on Telemundo or Univision that's what you'll get, it's what you deserve but your kids deserve better.
shareI'll never forget the prologue statement at the end of the show that encouraged kids of all ages to seek out their local library for more information on the episodes subject.
Except as Connections (1978) showed history was more of a web of events then the Great Man theory Voyagers! depended on for its premise to work. In Cosmos (1980) Carl Sagan presented this great moment theory with the comment "The discovery of America around 1500 was inevitable."
It is like the transistor which was invented independently in the United States and Germany and was actually an improvement of the design invented by Julius Edgar Lilienfeld in 1925 and Oskar Heil in 1934.
If he had gotten the engine of the weight and power had had asked for instead of one twice as heavy Wilhelm Kress may have gotten his seaplane to fly in 1901. In 1906 Alberto Santos-Dumont independent of the Wright brothers got his own airplane to fly without the catapult system the Wright brothers had used and setting a world record in the process.
Then you have Elisha Gray who may or may not have independently invented the telephone.
It is like the 2002 Twilight Zone episode Cradle of Darkness where a time traveler killed Hitler as a baby but the maid of the Hitlers goes out and buys a baby from a homeless woman and history remains the same.
I think many of the errors in time were unexplained, such as the Mona Lisa being on the Titanic.
I just watched the Annie Oakley episode and Queen Victoria's grand-daughter was being forced into a loveless marriage. The bad guys kidnapped Annie Oakley to keep her from competing and if she won, then the grand-daughter didn't have to marry the guy.
I think the error in time was Annie Oakley not performing for Queen Victoria, so they had to rescue her.
In the pilot episode, the Wright bros were discouraged from inventing the airplane and Bogg and Jeffrey had to find out why.
A lot of it was really like Peabody and Sherman; they just had to encourage someone a bit more, or like the Quantum Leap episode with Buddy Holly singing 'piggy sooie'
Hey, kid, why don't you try singing Peggy Sue?