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Do the Voyagers have to allow atrocities to occur?


I touched on this in another post, but since Bogg and Jeffrey must put history right, what happens in the event of bad things that happened.

Say, hypothetically, they were to be there when Hitler was meant to exterminate the Jews. Now this was a terrible atrocities and a human tragedy, but it happened. Does that mean that Bogg and Jeffrey HAVE to make sure that it happens, as this is history, even though I know neither of them would want to.

What if they found that Hitler hadn't even invaded Poland, setting off WWII, or that Martin Luther King hadn't been assainated?

What can they do in this situation? Allow it to happen, or not fix history in this case?

What a moral dilemma!

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In the "Back to the future" movies, Doc brown goes on and on about the conqequences of atempting to change history. Even if your intentions are good, it can backfire drastically. Doc brown may seem like a crazy insane guy, but alot of what he says makes a lot of sense.

I think Bogg & Jeffery knew that as well. History is history and it needs to stand as it is. This is really the arguement that Doc brown makes.



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Jeffrey tried desperately to stop Pearl Harbor from happening, but to no avail. Bogg explained to him that history must be allowed to happen. Think about it though...what if PH never happened? Would we have ever dropped the bomb? We pretty much marked our place in military power for the rest of history when we did that. Don't F*&$ with us. We're America.

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people have been asking almost those same questions since time travel was first thought of, what if what if? I think a good example of why not to is the episode of Star Trek TOS "The city on the edge of forever", If they had saved the good and kind Edith Keeler, we would have been slow to fight Hitler and the Nazi's would have won WW2.You ask about killing Hitler, there was a Nazi party without him, and in looking back it is a good thing such a crazy man was in Germany screwing things up or they could have won WW2 for real, then how many more millions would have died. History is not just one piece it is layers like bricks, you remove 1 ou change so many more. a Star Trek TNG episode called "yesterdays Enteprise is an example of that.

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Had we not entered WW2 in 1941, it is very likely than within the next year or so, England would have fallen to a German invasion.

And THAT would have seriously altered history forever. It is conceivable that Western and Central Europe would still be under Nazi rule in 2012.

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If you watch Voyagers of the Titanic episode 15, Bogg sort of gives Jeffrey the answer there.

To paraphrase, 'You can't change it. It's in my guidebook you learned it in school. There are wars, disasters, injustices, but the fact is no matter how much you want these things not to happen, they're supposed to happen.'

When I think of Voyages as you mentioned, despite their misgivings, they may just have to get the job done and move history along on its course. It is their job, who knows if there are consequences for refusing a mission? They'd have to take it up with the Tribunal I suppose. It's a shame the show didn't last long enough to answer these questions.

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I touched on this in another post, but since Bogg and Jeffrey must put history right, what happens in the event of bad things that happened.

Say, hypothetically, they were to be there when Hitler was meant to exterminate the Jews. Now this was a terrible atrocities and a human tragedy, but it happened. Does that mean that Bogg and Jeffrey HAVE to make sure that it happens, as this is history, even though I know neither of them would want to.

What if they found that Hitler hadn't even invaded Poland, setting off WWII, or that Martin Luther King hadn't been assainated?

What can they do in this situation? Allow it to happen, or not fix history in this case?

What a moral dilemma!


Yes, they would have to allow atrocities to happen, but it would probably happen between episodes.

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Yes, this was covered in the Titanic episode. Jeffrey tried warning Captain Smith, and Smith didn't believe him.

Same thing happened in the Time Tunnel episode when they landed on the Titanic. They tried warning the captain as well, to no avail.

This was also covered in the Doctor Who episode, Fires of Pompeii. Donna Noble wanted to warn the people, then the Doctor learned Vesuvius would erupt from the alien energy build-up, unless he released it, the whole world would be destroyed.

In essence, with his hand on the release lever, he caused the eruption of Vesuvius and the destruction of Pompeii. Very good episode. Donna then joined her hand to his, so they did it together.

It's inevitable.

This was peculiarly and well-covered in an episode The Outer Limits '90s remake series, entitled Tribunal, in which Jewish descendants from two different eras of a holocaust survivor sought revenge on the guard who was free.

In the end, they rescued the prisoner's daughter, the half-sister of one descendant, and brought her half a century into the present where she greeted her father and called him grandfather. Remarkably good episode.

Even more interesting are the two Outer Limit episodes with Amanda Plummer. The first one, Stitch in Time with Michelle Forbes, is brilliant enough on its own, where an assault victim creates a time machine to travel back and kill other murders before they start their killing spree (shades of Dexter?) and then she takes out the one who attacked her. Both Forbes and Plummer are magnificent.

Her other appearance, Final Appeal, also guest stars Charlton Heston, Cicely Tyson, Robert Loggia, Hal Holbrook, Swoosie Kurtz, Kelly McGillis and MIchael Moriarty. Sort of a continuation.

I liked Stitch in Time on its own.

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"where there is Death, there is always Death"----MIB3

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and a concrete example of what changing history can cause:

If you had an omni or similar device and could prevent Jon Erik from pulling the trigger that killed him, would you do it?

Most people would reply without hesitation, "Of course! Why on earth not?"
How many of them realize, however, that saving this strong young man could condemn five people -his organ recipients- to death?

Would you seriously want that? Would Jon himself have wanted that? All I know is I'm glad I'll never have to find out.

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