School Daze
Why did Lacey get mad at Dupnik in the coffee shop when he asked her to be his partner and why did she get so happy about the candle stick? Of course she wanted it back but was there more to it? And how did he find it?
shareI figured it out. Lacey was mad because Dupnik asked her to dump Cagney, creating the irony that it was more offensive than suggesting an extramarital affair.
The candlestick was from a previous episode in which she accused him of not trying hard enough to recover it after a home invasion in his precinct. He cared for her even though she snubbed him in the end and he worked to get it back for her and send her a sentimental message.
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I've actually been watching this series almost daily for several weeks now.
I didn't see this episode in its entirety but I was also questioning that scene and namely why she even went to dinner with him to begin with. I guess she felt flattered by his attention and then later regretted her moment of weakness, which is why she showered a puzzled Harvey with such lavish attention when she arrived home. The candlestick I was completely oblivious to.
If you want anymore feedback on other episodes, I'd be happy to provide some.
It was coffee actually, but yeah, it was totally out of her character to go for coffee after he sent her romantic flowers.
I think it was just supposed to be a very comical episode, in which the the 4 of them all had to go back to a high school setting. Cagney was the loud mouth disruptor and Lacey was the goody goody, and got a puppy dog crush on Dupnik, who originally was a sort of enemy when she got arrested in an earlier episode at a protest in her neighbourhood/his precinct. Also, showing up at the coffee shop was supposedly to tell him she was married, but she primped before she left the ladies room so it was indicated as with her dressing better and wearing shimmery lipgloss, that she had a crush on him.
That’s when the candlestick was mentioned; I’d forgotten that. I think the robbery of her new home in Fresh Meadows was from an even earlier episode that I haven’t seen yet. I started around when she was pregnant.
Did you see Land of the Free? I’m going to rewatch it because I was very confused about the conspiracy theory about the Salvadorians killing the people who stood up to the corruption and what was being suggested that the US’ involvement was. I want to see if it’s in the episode before I do any research. Do you know? Don’t worry about spoilers. I’ve already seen it.
I did see that episode but unfortunately missed a couple of minutes here and there so that eluded me as well. All I remember is that the death squad appeared to have access to a variety of classified information from different levels of the US government.
shareI rewatched. They didn’t specify what the US interests were, because they didn’t find out. But the death squad had unlimited access to US govt files because they were in cahoots with the US government. The tall guy showing up in the fancy Chrysler with the power windows, right before C&L, all over town was a fed, a spy, who was threatening everyone to shut up: the wife, the coworkers, he got the gang to falsely confess to Patricio’s murder, a la a young Raymond Cruz of The Closer. But he couldn’t break the nun, so he sicced the health dept on the food bank, after the funeral bc of Sister Elizabeth telling the mourners in the eulogy that Patricio had been assassinated for raising money for the sanctuary movement and that their silence was complicity.
IRL The US trained the Salvadorian death squads in the name of preventing communism but really it was to protect the financial interests of the US billionaires who run the US and who are exploiting the resources of the third world.
It was an excellent episode, really ahead of its time. Very interesting how Cagney, the senior detective continued to dismiss MB’s suspicions, which were partly due to Harvey’s talk of government conspiracy theories, which she normally didn’t want to hear about. But after they heard the sloppy false confession it all started adding up for Cagney and also for Samuels, who had a report on the Chrysler which was dumped at JFK and had been wiped clean by pros.
So they all knew it was a govt cover up, but didn’t know exactly why, and they had to let it go to stay alive.
Well, that definitely fills in the gaps.
I finished today's episode (Button, Button) a short while ago. It also involved somewhat of a conspiracy through the Witness Protection Program.
Coincidentally, I presently have The Closer on. Not sure if I'll watch the entire episode; I've seen them all by now. Detective Julio Sanchez is one of my favorite characters on that show.
I’m watching Button Button. Just finished A Class Act. It’s a sad episode for Samuels. I love him. But the ending with the Peter Boyle storyline was pretty lame.
shareI’ve seen all The Closers. Sanchez is my fave too, and Provenza. I’ve never seen the Police Academy movies, can you believe it? I have to see him in them.
shareSanchez is the passionate, sometimes temperamental one. He has a lot of heart. Do you recall the episode where a Hispanic man had his entire family murdered in a case of mistaken identity? Sanchez was there for him, offering him his home in a very poignant ending.
Provenza is the cantankerous old cynic, but nevertheless likable. They all are, each in his own way. It's been a long time since I've seen a Police Academy movie and I have no memory of him being in that.
What did you think of the ending to Button, Button? Was that some split-second timing or what?
Yeah Sanchez is all heart. I remember that episode and the one where his little brother got shot bc of the color of that hat he’d given him.
I just now watched the end of Button. I did not see that coming. Perfect timing! I’m going to rewatch the beginning bc I don’t remember what the hit ladies excuse was for being in the apartment or why they were checking the fire escape.
OK! You really need to pay close attention in these crime shows to the first few minutes.
There was no sign of forced entry so she might have actually been associated with the first victim. I just saw the first minute, lol and it answered most of my questions. She was very pretty, so it’d been easy to get in, killed the guy and locked the door from the inside. Cops on fire escape said window sill looked ok and no sign of forced entry but they didn’t mention exit and she was a pro. They said no one saw anyone coming or going so that suggests she got out some other way. How could you lock a door from the inside and lock the window from the outside?
Oh! And she was waiting for the cops to help her by posing as a witness to this friend of Toby’s so they would lead her to him so she could kill him too.
I'd say that missing a couple of minutes here and there as I mentioned previously can create significant gaps in the narrative. I experienced that again today.
I saw a film-noir some months back where a killer staged a murder to appear as a suicide. His last move was in rigging the door as he exited to lock from the inside. I remember thinking at the time how clever that had been. I managed to find only a partial clip of that scene on YouTube where the part with the door was omitted.
Initially, in Button, Button, I thought that as his love interest, she would have had a key to the apartment. Since that was a ruse, she played some effective reverse psychology on the detectives with her emotional insistence that it couldn't have been a suicide.
Yes! She was really a good actress, I mean the character was and the actress! That’s something that annoys me on The Closer when Brenda is lying it’s so over the top and when she’s listening to her ear piece she makes it obvious. But yes, total reverse psyche out!
Valerie the hit lady must have had a key and some el slicko technique with the door. What was the name of the film noir? I’d watch it just to see that.
I just rewatched all the scenes pertaining to the crime. She was obviously actually associated with Toby, the first victim bc she was able to make the police scotch and she knew the second victim when she saw him. She must have stayed with Toby until the friend showed up so she could ID him, that was her green light to move on the first hit, and use the cops to lead her to the second guy. But if that’s correct, it’s sloppy. A spy could surely come up with a better ruse to get the guy’s locale that didn’t involve showing her face to the police and spending time with them, lol.
Initially I thought the actress was Karen Valentine. At the end of the episode, I finally recognized her as Mercy from the cult film, The Warriors https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbgjLV-fEK0
The film-noir was Elevator to the Gallows. It's French but has subtitles. I saw where the entire movie is available on YouTube.
How are you able to rewatch the episodes? Recording on a DVR?
I’ll check that noir out.
Ok, don’t laugh. I’m using a VCR! It’s so much fun. Just like the old days. Haha
I'm sure it is! Rewinding is such a great feature to have available when questions arise.
It’s a whole thing with the kids. There are subs on Reddit for VHS and audio cassettes culture that are very popular. I just wish I got better reception. It’s kind of wavy but it’s ok. The sound is good and that’s more important.
shareThat actress, yeah I’ve seen her in lots of stuff. Surprising she didn’t get bigger. She was really good and very pretty.
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