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Are there no fans of Wolfen?


Just curious. :-)

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Not a bad film but I wouldnt go so far as to call my self a fan(I save that sheet for gangster and zombie films), I wish the gore shots lingered a while longer...

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I realized belatedly I should have put "has anyone seen Wolfen? " I was just surprised to find no discussions about it whatsoever. :-)

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As am I. Neat spin on Legend

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I am also a fan, intelligent little horror film with great cinematography and a very atmospheric music score, shame this was Michael Wadleigh's first and last venture in to directing.

What about the tooth fairy from Michael mann's Manhunter!


"So you ghouls do get the creeps down here"

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Not a fan, got up in the middle of the night when I was about 6 and watched it on TV. I had cronic nightmares for almost a DECADE afterwards. Stupid F@cking Movie.


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thats the best post i've seen so far.

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(smile) i had such an "accident" with alfred hitchcock´s "birds" - but now, some decades later, i think that it´s a good film.


i like "wolfen" very much - sorry, that you´ve got that handicap. maybe you´ll like it too, if you´ve overcome that fear?


wish you the best.


m.

ALL LIFE IS EQUAL

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How bout let's try blaming your parents. They should've known you were an effeminate little dude and barred you from the TV.

I see Stupid People...

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hahahahahaha

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I think it is hilarious that people blame the movie for making them have nightmares but really it is the parents not making sure they can't watch them. Plus, after seeing it and now should not be afraid anymore. I mean I used to be bother with PG-13 horror back when I was 10 but those I used to be scared of, are nothing at all, and I stopped PG-13 horror since the early 2000s. I can't watch them anymore because they are not scary. Actually, this is a pretty lame horror as for scary wise.

This one is tame for rated R.

No more IMDB boards for me!

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They are my few favorites Wolfen love the story line ! legend deitys wolves! cleaning up the city ! and Man Huntrer the Based on the Red Dragon
Book a real classic i loved the score (soundtrack) done by (tangerine dream)
as another Favorite is Thief ! another Soundtrack Score done by them

A must See Movie ! an Underated movie the should got a better Rating

No this not a Werewolf Movie as some think from the title.
its a Wolf Spirit ,, Entity,, Deity ,, kinda Movie that Prevents Buildings
from going up for a nnworthly cause

Rent it by it you gotta have this in your video collection !

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Sounds like your a Michael Mann & Tangerine Dream fan? you gotta get hold of The Keep soundtrack by Tangerine Dream its excellent, as is the film.

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if you `ve read the book , you know that its an evolved intelligent canine life form that has shared the earth with humans for at least 12,000 years , and is the basis for the werewolf legends ! not sure why they decided to go with the mystical thing in the film ! much much scarier in its original context !canines with near human intelligence , opposable thumbs , and retractable claws , is just frightening as hell !

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Actually, Michael Wadleigh wasn't crazy about Whitley Strieber's book -- he just liked the premise and used it to explore ecological issues, according to an Aug. 8, 1981 NY Times article. Apparently Wadleigh's original script didn't have as much of a horror bent, which the producers played up after they recut the film without his input. His original cut was 2 hours, 29 min. -- I'd love to see it, since the film seems to miss something (though I still like the produced version). Is it out there anywhere?

Wadleigh's case against Orion Pictures established new laws concerning a director's rights over material -- specifically, the right to preview a director's cut in front of an audience of at least 100. This doesn't effect the studio's final say, of course, but gives the director a chance to present his vision and get some response to it.

Wadleigh fought for final cut of "Woodstock" too -- he got a notable critic interested in his 3 hour, 8 min. version (the studio's was 1 hour, 50 min.) and she requested to review that one instead of the studio's. The longer cut took off from there. Who knows what the complete "Wolfen" could have offered.

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The plotting starts to get very confused around the time Tom Noonan is watching the wolf film in his zoo office. I get the feeling his character did more and got closer, some how, to understanding Wolfen facts. Why he calls the fire department has never made any sense to me. And more to the point, why the wolfen kill him, since their violence isn't random, doesn't fit with the rest of the movie. From then on, Albert Finney moves from plot point to plot point with the aid of voice overs and such. My guess is Wadleigh spent more time tracking the terrorist group which would, in some ironic way, substantiate Finney's progressive understanding of the truth. The notion that we've gained technology but lost our senses seems to be one of the main themes here. Wadleigh's first twenty or so minutes are strikingly cinematic and clear - remaining all the while terrifically subtle - that it seems unlikely he'd merely state his theme in the dialogue and ignore its visual development. It's really a shame. Even so, WOLFEN holds its own, I think. Visually, it's a stunner - even on TV. The wide screen, clear and deep focus shots make this a vivid and extremely beautiful film to watch. Wadleigh veers from the realistic to the stylized with ease and grace. The dialogue scenes all come across as natural and disarmingly spontaneous. And given the time, certain scenes are allowed to play out methodically, retaining an almost unbearable suspense. Too bad Wadleigh lost interest in the fight, because there's much in this film, truncated as it is, to suggest his was a smart, major talent.

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Noonan's character calls the fire department because under the bridge the echo of the engine's siren sounds like a wolf's howl. Still gives me the creeps thinking about it.

No Clues!

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I'm definitely a big fan of this movie. My dad took me to see this on opening night when I was 10 and I didn't see it again until several years later. Regarding the second viewing, I kind of expected the film's mystique to dissipate since I've aged, but surprisingly I found it outstanding and ahead of its time. I can't say the same for The Howling, which I saw that year as well. I wish there were more atmospheric, subtle, intelligent horror movies that take their time to develop.

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Just throwing in here.

I've always liked this film.

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Wait a minute... who am I here?

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you are aware that Manhunter is Red Dragon right? The First of the three hannibal books...

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I have seen it and would like to see it again on DVD, however it seems to not be that way (as of yet). I watched it as often as I could back when HBO was something new, long before anything called cable, and I had the opportunity of catching late on tv one night. I thought it was an above average horror movie from the 80's, one that I thought might benefit from a reimaging of....

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you-do or do not there is no try.

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Funny. Gangster & zombie films are @ the bottom of my list. They require such little innovation.

Carpe Noctem!

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Hi.. this is one of my favorite movies. It may not be the most accurate concerning facts but I feel it speaks volumes about justice, in a stirring kind of way.

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One thing I really liked was the score. It started out sounding like a rip-off of "Alien", then it switched to music in the style of Horner's later effort "Aliens" (some of these cues eventually ended up in that score). I think this was Horner's first score for a non-Roger Corman movie (he didn't become well-known until "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan" came out the following year).

The only other thing that really worked for me in this movie was keeping the Wolfen hidden throughout most of it (only hinting at where it is using sound effects, wolf-vision, and in one case, a pair of glowing eyes). As Ridley Scott once said about the creature in "Alien", it's more frightening when you DON'T see it, and that's definitely true of the Wolfen here.

The movie just got hokey once it was revealed that they were regular wolves (albeit, wolves that may be gods, and have been around for 20000 years, ten times your f***ing Christian era!). It's because I was able to create a general image of what I envisioned the Wolfen to look like in my mind, and that mental image was far more frightening than the real thing. Of course, being 1981, they couldn't use CGI to make far more threatening wolves.

I have a question: does anyone know if this was the first movie to portray infra-red or "heat vision"? The whole time I was watching, I was thinking, "Damn, the Predator movies totally ripped this off!"

Another note: I wonder how available this movie is. I was only able to find it on videocassette at my local Mom-and-Pop video store. Maybe the reason no one has made any real comments about it is that not many people have actually seen it since its initial release.

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I have always had a fond place in my heart for this movie.

It is a movie I saw when I was younger and then since it is hardly ever on cable became like that girlfriend that was only a distant memory.

Also, having grown up in NYC, it really hit home with its eerie scenery shots.

Thumbs up.

Dalm.

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I am a fan of this movie. I think it is well crafted and gets the atmosphere and tension just right. I read the book first. I am not sure whether that helped or not but I think it may have meant I had a greater awareness about the creatures and what they did.

A credit to the film that reading the book first took away none of the surprises or impact of the story.

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I liked this movie. Very original in my opinion.

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Angel: I liked it.

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I LOVE this film; for all its flaws, there is something hauntingly magnificent about it. Can anyone confirm a rumour I heard, that the version MW wanted to release was very different (much longer, for one), and his subsequent departure from filmmaking had something to do with his disappointment?

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I taped Wolfen off the tv years ago and it scared the pants off me then. Loads of really creepy scenes, the initial 'hit', Finney running down the derelict church steps to turn and see the eyes floating in the darkness, the stakeout in the deserted tenements, Olmos' shape shifting freak out, Tom Noonan's bogus emergency call so he can stand under the bridge and listen to the siren's 'howl' only to be... well you know.

As for the final reveal, the mirror blinds are genius, I don't think it was the intention of the director for us to be terrified of the beast come the end, they are beautiful creatures (are they really wolves?) rather than slathering werewolfatronics. We're supposed to empathise, Finney even sides with them (admittedly to save his hide) and I found the scenes of the Wolfen running through the streets at the end rather moving (how sad am I?).

I think they try to fit one too many sub plots in though, with the terrorist interrogations and the strange big brother style security unit, fascinating but not developed enough to add anything to the story, bar red herring and a suggestion of natural eco-warriors, 'the earth biting back' metaphors blah blah.

I'll have to get the book, interesting thread segue (only for me tho) I recently read The Keep (big Mann fan), despite what people say I prefer the film, the book ain't that hot.

Lassie/Punisher I think.

No Clues!

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I'm not exactly a fan, but I certainly like WOLFEN a lot.
It is here in my werewolf films collection as one of the better and more interesting gems.
Also nice is that Michael 'Woodstock' Wadleigh is the director. I suppose he liked the idea of the old religious Indian powers.

Albert Finney is good (as always) in the leading role.




"When there is no more room in the oven,
the Bread will walk the earth."

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what does "lycanthrope" mean, please? couldn´t find it in dictionary and i´m interested to know what you wrote about that fantastic film.


cheers


m.

ALL LIFE IS EQUAL

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m.

ALL LIFE IS EQUAL

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Of course there are fans of Wolfen out there. I live in Norway and I'm one of them.

I've been a huge movie fan since I was about 5 (a quarter of a century ago) and today make a living reviewing films among other things, and Wolfen has been on my personal top 10 list since I first saw it when I was about 16. I just saw it again tonight on DVD, and it still is on my top 10 :) Truly beautiful and haunting horror movie with a creepy atmosphere.

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Just purchased the Wolfen CD soundtrack from ebay, james horner's atmospheric score is outstanding.




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