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What do you think really happened?


I would like to know what everyone thinks happened to the real D.B.Cooper, I personally believe hes probalay dead by now or maybe in prison for another crime. Im not actually that sure.

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Its hard to tell. I think maybe he is living under the raydar somewhere in the U.S.A or maybe South America. Its an interesting story - its all the more interesting because its unsolved.

"Everybody cry when my big monkey die" - Dino DeLaurentiis.

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DEAD. D.B. COOPER IS DEAD

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There was a recreated segment on this on the TV series Unsolved Mysteries, which I saw in syndication in 1993, and they said that two years after this hijacking (aparently 1973 or 1974) there was another one very similair to it in which a former real life Green Beret skydiver, Richard McCullough, was arrested for it, but then escaped and was tracked down and killed in a gun battle with the F.B.I. They showed a picture of him while in custody, and the well known composite of D.B. Cooper from 1971-72, and they look very similair. That, and the fact that a Green Beret trained skydiver could have certainly did all of this, more than once, led me to believe, after seeing this then and ever since, that that was who D.B. Cooper really was (and no, D.B. Cooper was not a relative of my father's--a joke--see my other listing here).

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i heard that a man called Duane Weber has been named by the FBI as the closest D.B.Cooper suspect.

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In August 2000, U.S. News and World Report ran an article about a widow in Pace, Florida named Jo Weber and her claim that her late husband, Duane Weber, had told her "I'm Dan Cooper" before his death in 1995. She became suspicious and began checking into her late husband's background. Duane Weber had served in the Army during World War II and later had served time in a prison near the Portland airport. Mrs. Weber recalled that her husband had once had a nightmare where he talked in his sleep about jumping from a plane and said something about fingerprints on the aft stairs. She had once found an old plane ticket in his papers for Northwest Airlines that said SEA-TAC (Seattle-Tacoma Airport). She also mentioned that just before he died, Duane had revealed the cause of an old knee injury. "I got it jumping out of a plane," Jo recalls him saying.


Photograph of Duane Weber next to the FBI composite drawing of D.B. CooperMrs. Weber also recounts a 1979 vacation the couple took to Seattle, "a sentimental journey," Duane told Jo Weber, with a visit to the Columbia River. She remembers how Duane oddly walked down to the banks of the Columbia by himself just four months before the portion of Cooper's cash was found in the same area. One of the most convincing pieces of evidence Mrs. Weber related was the fact she had checked out a book on the Cooper case from the local library and saw notations in it that matched her husband's handwriting. Mrs. Weber began corresponding with FBI Agent Ralph Himmelsbach, the chief investigator of the Cooper case. Himmelsbach has said Weber is one of the best suspects he has come across.

Although the match between the composite drawing and pictures of Duane Weber must be considered inconclusive, recently, facial recognition software was used on 3,000 photographs (including that of Weber and two other suspects) to identify him as "the best match" of the 3,000.


Taken from the wikipedia entry.

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I just saw it on Discovery. His name was Richard McCoy and he was from Provo, Utah. He was convicted of the other copy cat hijacking and sentenced to 45 years in prison. He escaped from Lewisburg State Prison in Pennsylvania, and was killed 90 days later by FBI agents. Most agents are certain he was DB Cooper, but no one knows for sure.

"Still crazy after all these years!"...Paul Simon

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however! neither McCoy's or Weber's fingerprints matched the fingerprints left by D.B Cooper on the plane. There were sixty unknown prints on his tie that he left behind him before jumping. Also the fact that it was so well planned and he got away with it means that he was unlikely to start bragging about it the way McCoy did, which is how he got caught

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Does anybody watch Prison Break, theres an old man called Charles Westmoreland in it who is portraying D.B.Cooper. lol.

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Same thing that happened in "without a paddle".


SPOILER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



The iron screwed up the planes instruments,he fell into a mine shaft and had to burn the money to stay alive

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Exactly. Where's the mystery? D.B. Cooper is obviously the guy from Prison Break. Hehehe.

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If he survived, he's one of the luckiest men to ever get away with a crime. The conditions on the night he jumped - dark, raining, temperatures below zero when he jumped into mountains, rivers and thick forests - suggest he probably didn't last long. And when Mt St Helens erupted any remaining clues as to what happened may have disappeared forever.

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The fact that his body was never found despite an exstensive search at the time, and hasn't been found after so many years (even with the eruption), is strong evidence, in my opinion, that he survived. Additionally, many others duplicated the stunt successfully.

But, the fact that none of the bills he stole ever turned up in circulation completely convinces me that the *beep* splattered. There is just no way that a guy could pull that heist off and never spend a dime of it. No way. If he had survived, surely he would have spent the money somehow. And no matter how careful he was, at some point one of the marked bills would have shown up in circulation. So, as far as I'm concerned he didn't make it. He originally demanded the pilots take a certain route. But the pilots couldn't take that route because they would be coming to close to the mountain ranges. That change in plans was something he hadn't accounted for (probably) and it made all the difference.

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I agree with Leatherneck. The chances of surviving such a jump are very slim, to say nothing of the ordeal waiting for him on the ground. He would have landed in 150 foot tall pine trees in very rugged terrain with no knowledge of the immediate area (due to the flight-path change, which he could not have anticipated). He had no jump suit or shoes. Chances are he would have been bare footed upon landing as the loafers he had on would have blown off during the jump. Also, it was pitch black, raining and very cold. Without goggles or altimeter, he would not have known when to pull the rip-chord.

One question I have always had:

He locked the 3 remaining crew in the cockpit before he jumped. They had no way of observing the cabin. How do they know he didn't have a carry-on bag with jump supplies in it?

I would like to think he survived and left that money in the river as a red herring. But the remaining money was never spent. Sadly, chances are he made a very small divot in a very large forest.

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I like to think that he found shelter in a cave, and is living under the radar. I think the money they found he probley lost on the jump.

So i believe he made it, but he lost a lot of his prize in the process of escaping.

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what about if he didnt actually jump? he threw some of the money out to be found on purpose (money was found by by the columbia river) hid in the rear of the plane and slipped out once it had landed, hey presto!

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First of all, there's no way he could have hid in the rear of the plane. Agents were practically all over the plane the very second it touched down in Reno.

Secondly, for various reasons, it has been all but proven conclusively that neither Weber nor McCoy were Cooper, even though some people will insist on believing it was one of those two.

Thirdly, as far as the money goes: the FBI has admitted they have no proof that the remaining $194,000 (in other words, the money that wasn't found on the river bank) never went into circulation. According to the U.S. Treasury, 95 percent of all bills printed each year are replacements for older ones, and most bills end up being destroyed after a year, year and a half or so. Basically, we're talking about trying to find 9,700 or so $20 bills. I'm not sure how many bills were printed each day in 1971, but in 2006, according to the Treasury, about 33 million bills are printed EACH day in the United States, more than a fifth of which are $20 bills (more than 6 million, in other words). I'm guessing nowhere near that many were printed each day in 1971, but I bet it was still a heck of a lot. Even if it was in the 100,000's or so, we're talking every day ... and trying to find 9,700 specific $20 bills (!).

It's probable that the FBI tried to look for the bills in banks at least in the area for a while, but with '70s technology, even that would have been extremely difficult. With 1971 technology - basically nada, esp. as far as computer systems went - to catch a bill being in circulation, it would have meant that a suspicious clerk or teller checking by hand and looking to match every $20 bill they got with those noted in the ransom. How many people do you suppose were doing this, particularly outside of the Washington area? The FBI has pretty much admitted that finding such bills would have been like trying to find a needle in the haystack - this would be particularly so if Cooper waited a year or so to spend any of it. Especially if the bills had been exchanged some place far away or abroad in particularly remote locations, they would have been all but impossible to track down. What do you suppose the FBI's capability of tracking $20 bills in Cario, Egypt, for instance, were in 1972?

Finally, survival experts and skydivers have stated repeatedly that, had Cooper simply been able to pull the ripcord in the 200-mph wind, his chances of surviving in that area were not only plausible but even probable if he had any familiarity with the outdoors or survival training.

In short, while I certainly agree that it was probably that he died, whoever DB Cooper was, he was an improbable man, and I think the likelihood of his survival was greater than what many people - including some of those at the FBI - seem willing to think.

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If he was injured and unable to walk, or unconscious... THE BEARS ATE HIM. That would be why no body was found, right? Not necessarily because he escaped.

If you think Bears don't eat live humans, check out the video "grizzly man" ... a guy & his lady friend both got chomped ... WHILE ALIVE... and it was caught on tape.... and the police/rangers picked up what was left and gutted the bear... to get the remains. GRUSOME.

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Robert Richard Lepsey check this guy out he might have been Dan Cooper

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I just watched a documentary made in year 2002. It was two hours, with lots of commericals, but it described how the suspect RICHARD F. McCOY was likley DB Cooper.

McCoy was convicted of using the exact same MO only four months after DB Cooper had escaped. His photo, when put next to DB Cooper's FBI/Police sketch...is literally identical.

McCoy was killed in a shootout with police a few years after escaping from prison shortly after being sent there. They had caught him red handed with nearly $500,000 in loot in his closet among other pieces of evidence. My opinion: He WAS DB Cooper. He denied it to the FBI ... but that doesn't mean anything.

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bob,

McCoy has been officially eliminated as a suspect by the FBI.

For one thing, he was a personally devout Mormon and absolutely didn't smoke (nor drink, I believe), something Cooper did continuously while on the plane (Cooper smoked nearly half a pack of cigs on the plane). Secondly, McCoy was only 28 years old at the time of the hijacking, and witness reports unanimously described a man in his 40s or possibly early 50s. McCoy was also much more precise in his directions to the crew and pilots than Cooper was and generally acted differently toward them (as far as the descriptions of each case went). To get past all this, McCoy would have had to have been a master of disguise, diluted his drink, and used fake cigarettes (the cigarette butts left on the plane weren't fake, though), extremely unlikely considering that he never did such things in any of his other crimes. The FBI also had McCoy's fingerprints, and I've never heard anything about his prints matching any of the 66 still-unidentified prints collected from the 727 that Cooper hijacked.

The early composite police sketch drawn immediately after the hijacking that supposedly looks so much like McCoy is the one that you're referring to. Florence Schaffner, one of the flight attendants, stated that it never really looked like the man who was D.B. Cooper. Other sketches - such as that seen at the top of the wikipedia site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D._B._Cooper - are generally considered much more accurate likenesses of Cooper and look nothing like the thinner-haired McCoy. If you get into the FBI website, you'll see other sketches - presumably some of which were used in making the composite - which look nothing like McCoy. While the original composite might look like McCoy, the FBI has stated that McCoy was ruled out in part because he did not match the identical descriptions given by witnesses. There is also the issue of McCoy having Thanksgiving dinner with his family in California the very next afternoon - among other evidence that he was in South Cali at the time of the hijacking on Nov. 24 - extremely unlikely for someone who had jumped into a raging storm less than 20 hours before unless he had help on the ground, which has been proven to be an all but impossible scenario.

The general knowledge of the situation has improved since that 2002 documentary has been made, and there are details that it didn't pick up on or emphasize. Let's also keep in mind that there were various copycat hijackings at this time, and Cooper himself might have been copying a hijacking that had only taking place days before. In my personal opinion, if the real D.B. Cooper actually got away with it and lived, he was a far cleverer man than McCoy ever proved himself to be.

I will say, though, that in an interesting development, one of the latest best suspects that the FBI has possibly knew McCoy.

As for bears, I can believe they eat humans. I'm not sure that they find clothing, paper currency, attache cases, duffel bags, nylon cords, or 28-foot-wide parachutes quite as tasty, though.

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I will say, though, that in an interesting development, one of the latest best suspects that the FBI has possibly knew McCoy. "

Where did you hear about that?

Did you read the book, which i want to read, DB Cooper: the real mccoy?


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Bob,

There's an attorney named Galen Cook who's looking into the latest best suspect. His radio interviews are available on coasttocoastam.com . The latest interview from February 23, 2008, is also currently available on youtube. Good stuff - talks about the possible McCoy connection. Check it out - I'm sure you'll find it most interesting.

I must admit I have not read that book and that I'm pretty new to a lot of this stuff myself - everything I've read or heard comes directly from things I've watched or FBI agents or people who have devoted much of their lives to researching this case and mostly stuff available on the internet. Cook, however, has said that he has talked with the book's author, and even the author - who believes McCoy was Cooper - can't answer some fundamental questions, in particular 1) the alibi (which, according to the FBI web site, says Provo, Utah, rather than California, but I've heard both) 2) the smoking of the cigarettes, and 3) how McCoy's physical appearance doesn't match the descriptions from the flight attendants. (And, obviously, the book is written with a slant and covers the details in a way that's meant to make anyone who reads it believe that McCoy was D.B. Cooper) To cover even some of that would have meant that he would have had to go all out with a masterful disguise - something McCoy apparently didn't do in the $500,000 hijacking. Furthermore, McCoy parachuted very close to home near Provo and yapped a lot, not to mention apparently got picked up by a driver while hitchhiking with a jumpsuit. These are all things that D.B. Cooper - if Cooper lived - didn't do.

I do understand the fascination with McCoy, though, and I know a lot of people will always think it was him, unless the FBI somehow proves undeniably that it was someone else (and maybe even that won't be good enough).

One of the things that I think is so interesting about this is that people seem to stick so adamantly to whatever they want to believe. The case tells as much about our humanity and social psychology as it does about any crazy skyjacker. The biggest thing right now is a suspect named Kenneth Christiansen, even though the FBI has effectively ruled him out as well. There are some amaeteur sleuths that absolutely insist it's a guy named Ted Mayfield, a 1974 world champion skydiver from that area who also has a serious criminal record and, if I recall correctly, robbed at least one bank. The FBI, on the other hand, seems almost sometimes willfully obtuse in trying to make the case that, "well, heck, we can't find the guy, so he must've died."

In defense of the FBI, though, they have searched over a thousand suspects (that's like, a lot, and stuff) and scores of serious suspects. I can't blame them if they roll their eyes every time they get a call from someone who says, "Yeah, it's my brother without a doubt!" or "It's a world champion skydiver" or, "Hey, have you guys ever thought about Richard McCoy?"

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A lot to respond to but for now..

cooper left a neck tie supposedly with 60 sets of prints on it. to me, that could easily have been intentional and nothing more than a rental tie from some resturant, etc, that he carried on board in a bag with the intention of leaving it while he took his real clip on tie with him. in other words, to throw off the investigation. so, the fbi saying they have no matching prints of mccoy to cooper might have been an attempt to match mccoy to a scam tie left for that purpose.

mccoy made the mistake of talking ... but maybe cooper had done the same thing and yet the person hearing him didn't later connect the conversation to the well known hijacking. in other words, mccoy was tripped up when someone remembered the conversation.... while cooper's conversation simply went unremembered.

anyway.,,,, i realize different possibilities.

side note: the prime suspect in the zodiac killer case, arthur leigh allen, also spoke to a friend of his about a "hypothetical" crime that could happen which just happened to match the actual serial murders... and that person did report the issue ... but his report fell through the cracks entirely until he again approached police years later. interesting how criminals always think that their 'friends' (who are just like them and hence untrustworthy) will keep such information secret.

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In my honest opinion, McCoy just wasn't as smart as Cooper.

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I would like to believe that Cooper survived the jump, left the substantive bit of money behind to fig leaf investigations, which would play to ostensibly corroborate his death and thwart extensive investigations. From there, he would find a town adjacent to the drop, garner his winnings, and make it out of the area by morning. Then, travel to Portland, or a city of adequate size. On arrival, he would accommodate himself, stay a few days at a residence, or hotel, wherein he would convalesce/rest (I would assume he attained damages as a consequence of the drop). Subsequently travel abroad by vehicle (I assume this because a plane wouldn't be particularly logical - at least from my point of view, and moreover I think he'd be a bit traumatized). Then travel down through central America, whereof ending in South America. - I would say Central America, but during the 70's especially, the US had copious CIA and military interventions there, and Cooper, with his intelligence, would take that admonition into account, then again there was substantial US presence in South America, too.

Regarding the money, he would convert it in small amounts at numerous monetary facilities, to evade suspicion.

Of course the latter is just me and my imagination.

The more pragmatic ending would probably be Cooper hitting the river mentioned a few times earlier, resulting in paralyization and consequently dying shortly after from an amalgam of injuries and hypothermia. All of his belongings and parachute(s) being encapsulated and preserved in the body of water, and himself. Then again, the water was dredged, and presumably his body and/or belongings would have been spotted some how or another. All that was was the aforementioned monies.

Or maybe not..

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My guess is that he never left the plane until after it landed. He threw some of the money (around $6000) out of the plane in order to make people think he had jumped.

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Tough question.

A. IF HE DIED:

The only way I could see this happening is if he landed in water. That would explain why none of his items were found during the search (including the chute). That also takes care of the missing money later on. Sure, Columbia river was dredged you'll say, but what about all other water streams within (or slightly outside) the drop zone?

This scenario presents a problem however: his unnoticed disappearance. That guy walked the earth for 40 years before boarding that plane... he surely didn't appear out of some sort of vacuum, he had to have a personal history. Even if his parents were deceased (not impossible if he was in his mid 40's), even if he was the only child and he was a loner (no family of his own), he must have had distant relatives who would remember him. Those people would have been able to connect his disappearance to the hijack, especially when they saw the sketch on TV. Family aside, there's friends, coworkers, neighbours. Or perhaps the drawings were so poor, generic and misleading that it didn't help?

B. IF HE SURVIVED:

Let's assume he did make it safely out of that plane and out of the "jungle", as improbable as it may seem. Of course, there's the problem of those ca 9100 bills never showing up. No matter how clever and calculated this dude was, he had to try his luck and spend at least some of his money by now. It makes no sense to contrive such a plan, see it thought, risk your life, become a folk hero and never enjoy the ransom. The real question is, what is the chance that none of those bills caught somebody's eye?
I really doubt (as somebody pointed out here earlier on) that every person in the US carried a printout of the serial number list everywhere they went and consult it when they come across a 20$ bill. No matter how much publicity this case received, I think it's reasonable to assume that apart from a few enthusiasts, treasure hunting kids and FBI guys most people carried on with their lives normally. Plus, there's the problem of money being generated & replaced on a regular basis by the treasury (again, pointed out quite cleverly before), and the possibility to spend it abroad. But I still wonder if the probability of all those bills going unnoticed is so high.

Unless this guy was made of different stuff than you and me, one still has to contemplate how irresistible the temptation to reveal yourself would be in this case. Nobody would be stupid enough to turn himself in, sure, but if he survived, one can at least expect a letter from Panama 30 years after, or a phone call from New Zealand on his death bed. None of these seems to have happened. If he's still alive somewhere, he's probably in his early to mid 80's, still hiding, still having a last laugh, and stubborn enough to take his big secret to the grave... too unbelievable!

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That guy walked the earth for 40 years before boarding that plane... he surely didn't appear out of some sort of vacuum, he had to have a personal history. Even if his parents were deceased (not impossible if he was in his mid 40's), even if he was the only child and he was a loner (no family of his own), he must have had distant relatives who would remember him. Those people would have been able to connect his disappearance to the hijack, especially when they saw the sketch on TV. Family aside, there's friends, coworkers, neighbours
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This is very plausible to me. Here's a guy that knows he's got a four day weekend on a busy travel day. Wednesday night, he hops a plane, does his deal and gets back to work on Monday with no one the wiser. The sketch was not that great, or so I've heard, so unless he went missing no one would make the connection. The guy obviously had stones the size of soccer balls so maybe he just smiled about it until he died, if indeed he is dead yet.






I don't have time to jaw with anyone who won't identify himself!

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...but that still leaves the other question(s) unanswered:
1. How comes no bills ever surfaced except those discovered on the river bank? 2. How did he make it back given the fact he was just wearing a normal suit, was barefeet, and he was wondering though one of the most unwelcoming lanscapes in the US on a stormy november night? I think even the fittest person would succumb to exhaustion and cold after a few miles "walk", and Cooper is known to have been in his mid/late 40's.

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I'm sure no matter what scenerio we play out that there will always be questions. That's the fascination of an unsolved crime. Oh well, it's fun to theorize.

I don't have time to jaw with anyone who won't identify himself!

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I'd say most likely he didn't survive the jump. But if he did in fact survive, who's to say D.B. Cooper didn't have a plan to get away when he landed on the ground? He planned the entire hijacking incredibly well, so he must have had some type of escape plan. I hope he did make it, but the fact is it will forever be a mystery.

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Never say never!

I used to say the same about the enduring mystery of Anastastia Romanov, and only months after I posted on wikipedia talk page, the news came out that finally the remains of the last 2 missing members of the royal family (Alexey and Anastasia) were unearthed! Case solved after 90 years, just like that!

Who knows when somebody stumbles upon some debris that clarifies the mystery, or when some dying old relative makes a confession supported by evidence!

As for Cooper's plan after landing, from what I've read it seems he couldn't have known exactly where the fall will take him. Wind and darkness aside, the flying route was not the one he initially asked for, so even if he had something planned he could have been tens of miles off target.

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This story really is intriguing. I mean the fact that they never found a body, parachutes, or traced bills (not including the ones the little boy found). Amazing. What I especially like about this story is that no one was harmed. In fact, the civilians on the hijacked plane didn't even know it was being hijacked! And the jump. WOW. In stormy weather and with no light source. Say what you will about Cooper, but the lad had guts (or was nuts). Either way amazing!



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he returned home, laundered the money, then drank and smoked himself to death as he was blackmailed, and saw bickering, fighting, and betrayal destroy his family and relationships. I know this because he was my father

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