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Why did Chariots of Fire win?


OK i am completely perplexed at the reality that this movie...practically the best and most obvious classic of 1981 did not win Best Picture and Director also. It had all the makings of a Academy award winning picture? (and if that didn't work why not give it to Warren Beatty's Reds)...but i still prefer ON GOLDEN POND, it should have won all the five major awards.

Does anyone else agree?

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I agree 100%, I was very, very upset that On Golden Pond didn't win!!!

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OGP, CofF, and Reds. All very good movies. Only one could win. Very close call, but I thought OGP should have won also.

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ChOF and OGP are the two best movies of 81'. I don't like Reds (probably because I CAN'T STAND WARREN BEATTY AND HIS ARROGANT A*S). ChOF deserved the Oscar, yes, but OPG probably deserved it more.

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Warren Beatty is a "rather" predictable actor. he likes to moan like a baby when he is mad.

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She beat Diane Keaton in "Reds", Marsha Mason in "Only When I Laugh", Susan Sarandon in "Atlantic City" and Meryl Streep in "The French Lieutenant's Woman".

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Considering Meryl Streep's brilliant career, it's only appropriate she should lose to Kate. Meryl's got lots of time left. I predict she'll surpass Kate's four ocsars.

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Katharine was very good in On Golden Pond.........but Meryl was better in The French Lieutenant's Woman

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Raiders of the Lost Ark was the best movie that year and should have won best picture and director. Unfortunately for the other three major nominees; OGP, CoF, and Reds, it was a fierce year, maybe even moreso than the year before with Raging Bull, Ordinary People, and The Elephant Man... actually, nah.

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I prefer Chariots of Fire even though I like this film very much. I'll be as fair as possible in the WHY part of this and leave personal feeling out of it.

Chariots of Fire was awarded for being a daring film. Remember that this was before independent films were the "In" thing. Chariots was almost never to be because no major distributor would pick it up. Alan Ladd Jr. took a chance on a historical English epic. Compare that to Jane Fonda aquiring the rights to Thompson's play of OGP because she wanted her daddy to play the part of Walter Thayer. Academy voters tend to be influenced by that type of thing--as in who put more trust in themselves and the material--reverse nepotism aside.

COF also is a very great film with terrific performances from a cast that I'll dare to wager you can't name three of its actors off the top of your head. What was so daring about OGP's casting? It is the last film of any consequence of the screen's greatest actress and one of the top five actors of all time. It is well written, yes. You'd expect that it would have to be for Fonda and Hepburn to sign on. But this was Hepburn's FOURTH academy award! Fonda had already had a lifetime achievement award and Hanoi Jane had already won for Klute. There are only so many ways, shapes and forms that you can say "Hollywood Royalty". Five young english kids acting in a period piece haven't got a chance against that kind of stacked deck...hence reason number two: Hollywood likes to spread the wealth at a certain point (i.e. Tom Hanks has only won twice even though he's probably been deserving of two since Forrest Gump).

I'd also say that On Golden Pond, for all the wonderful writing and acting it put forth...GULP...struggled with a plot. What was the central theme? At first it was the pugnacious Fonda being told off, then fifteen minutes later it was why daughter hates dad, then fifteen minutes later it was, "Hey let's play grandparents!", and then it was mortality in the end. It was just well enough acted to get away with this problem. Chariots seemlessly pulls a TRIPLE time change in the first five minutes of the film...a remarkable feat of writing that is underappreciated even to this day. It also has a well understood goal that all characters and audience members know for the duration of the film. Reason Number Three: Plot plays a big part in Best Picture.

What exactly did Chariots win finally? Three of the major awards went to OGP while only two went to Chariots. This to me sums up the question best. OGP was an actors and writers movie ONLY. It had no scope...it could have been filmed for 50 grand minus actors salaries of course. Chariots really only took home best picture and director because of all the things OGP didn't have. It was a period piece, with costume designs, art direction, makeup, cinematography and of course music. This is even more attractive when you consider that it pulled off these items so generally associated with a large studio projects on just a shoestring budget. Chariots was the better UNDERTAKING in the voters eyes...OGP had the better acting and writing, which I'm sure everyone here agrees with. Reason Four: It was the Better OVERALL PICTURE when you look at EVERY area of award voting.

Both are great films. Play this Oscar game until your head falls off, you can. 1981 was just a year that the little guy managed to win.

My two cents...I'd like to hear everyone else weigh-in.

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That was one of the most interesting things I've read on these forums. Great post.

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Thanks. You wouldn't happen to be tied in to any big stars to get me a job huh? What do you think?

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I agree with t-dedon, your post was very good soprismb. Two tiny quibbles: After saying you were gonna keep you opinions out you then referred to "Hanoi Jane." Oops. And second, I always thought Dave Grusin's music for this movie was GREAT. This movie is where I discovered Dave Grusin. He's a great jazz player and writer. He must have written a lot more music for this movie than they used because he released an album in '82 or so called "Mountain Dance" which sounds a lot like the music in this movie. Great stuff!

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I like this argument, but Raiders was the true technical achievement of the year (and then probably Reds before CoF), and Spielberg was not yet Hwd royalty.

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I love both films but would give COF the oscar over this although i think the acting oscars were given correctly (great year for actors by the way) In fact its a tribute to each of the films that one acting oscars that the performances in question (Not just our two stars but also Maureen Stapleton and John Gielguid) absolutely made their movies.....

Artistically however Chariots it the better film by far (though I also have sympathy for the argument that Raiders...one of the best pure movies of all time, should have won...I would put Golden Pond, as a total movie 3rd)

"COF also is a very great film with terrific performances from a cast that I'll dare to wager you can't name three of its actors off the top of your head."

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Excellent summation. Bravo!

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t-dedon, i think you are absolutely right!

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We don't get to see the vote totals, but here's what everyone assumed happened at the time ... the Best Picture race was assumed to be a two-horse race between "On Golden Pond" and "Reds," and it was considered to be too close to call. When "Chariots" won, people speculated that "Golden Pond" and "Reds" had split the vote so evenly between them that it allowed a dark horse film to sneak in and win. The guess, though we'll never know, is that the three films were all extremely close in the final tally.

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I was actually surprised this one was nominated at all. In a way, the nominatin was the win.

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I think the primary reason is that Chariots of Fire represented a safe choice for those deadlocked between Reds and On Golden Pond. That is not meant to demean the film, which was definitely worthy of Oscar recognition, but when two films are in such direct competition, people often look for a worthy, if not harmless, alternative.

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While I never miss the telecasts, I rarely give much credence to Academy Awards. I think it takes more than a "who's popular right now?" moment to provide a film's or a performance's real value. And while the 'Academy' sometimes gets it right (UNFORGIVEN, TERMS OF ENDEARMENT, THE GODFATHER films), more often than not it is woefully wrong (DRIVING MISS DAISY over the not-nominated DO THE RIGHT THING; ROCKY over NETWORK, ALL THE PRESIDENT'S MEN and TAXI DRIVER; IN THE HEAT OF THE NIGHT over BONNIE AND CLYDE and THE GRADUATE; and, the most egregious -- FOREST GUMP over everything).

With that in mind, I may be the only one so far to voice this opinion, but I am a great fan of Louis Malle's ATLANTIC CITY, and my appreciation of it has only grown over the years. While I feel all the arguments made have merit, for me ATLANTIC CITY greatly trumps CHARIOTS OF FIRE and even ON GOLDEN POND in the areas of writing and Malle's sure direction, and Burt Lancaster gives one of the finest performances in an entire career of fine performances. Henry got his OScar for a career filled with great performances where he SHOULD have won -- THE GRAPES OF WRATH, TWELVE ANGRY MEN, ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST. Burt gave the real deal in 1981.

RAIDERS is the technical marvel, REDS the large-yet-intelligent message film and the REAL 'period piece,' ON GOLDEN POND the actors's showcase and ATLANTIC CITY the discerning, thinking-filmgoers' piece.

Actually, other than some fine cinematography and catchy theme music, CHARIOTS OF FIRE doesn't even seem to belong in this company and, in retrospect, becomes almost a conceit.

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Raiders was the best, but the acadmey has always had a hard time giving the best picture oscar to movies like star wars or raiders and it really sucks.

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...and, the most egregious -- FOREST GUMP over everything).


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I don't know. I found 'On Golden Pond' and even 'Reds' to be better than the snoozefest that is 'Chariots of Fire'.

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I never saw Chariots Of Fire to say why, all I know is On Golden Pond delivered.

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Golden pond was a superior movie. Maybe the academy is so anti-american they were too impressed with the fine english film that depicts americans in a role not as underdogs. Chariots also has the ethnic racist theme which plays into their politically correct mentality.

No question what movie is better. On golden pond hits us right where we live!

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I don't think so. The Acadmeny is far from anti-American, if it was, most if not all of its members would be members of FOX News. I haven't seen it, but supposedly it is an inspirational story about two runners, one Jewish and one Christian who thinks he is sent by G-d to run, and I guess it appealed to the times of which the film was made and the American and world politics surrounding it.

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"Why did Chariots of Fire win?"

Quite simple - it got more votes from those in the Academy who are allowed to vote on such things. The Oscar isn't a measure of whether a film's good or bad, or popular or not with the general public. It's a measure of how many votes a particular film or actor got from the industry insiders who are allowed to vote.

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CoF won because it was, no debate, the best film of that year. Reds was an overblown white elephant about a man who glorified the Communist Revolution (imagine that!) and On Golden Pond, for all of its performances and semi-magic moments, was overall a predictable melodrama... jeez, who didn't see the boat wreck coming, or the surly-but-golden-hearted bonding of the boy and the old man? And I found the alleged deep wound suffered by Jane in her childhood relationship with her father extremely unconvincing.

If anyone has to question why CoF won, well... that's a classic case of "just don't get it".

For the record, the biggest rip-off of all time was Kramer vs. Kramer over Apocalypse Now, followed closely by The Apartment over The Sundowners or Elmer Gantry (and the fact that Spartacus and Exodus weren't even in the running!!!).

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Reds is a great film that actually has an anti-Communist message in it, spoken by Maureen Stapleton, in a scene where Warren Beatty is upset that the ideals he upholds aren't taking place in " Communist" Russia and she states a political reality then and in 1981.

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Reds is not a great film, as time has shown. Anti-communist message, my eye. The man glorified the REVOLUTION, like I said, and any disappointment expressed about Russia in the aftermath was actually PRO-Communist, i.e., bemoaning the fact that Russia wasn't 'getting it right'. The naive and pitifully laughable thing about that outlook is that self-styled 'idealistic' communists think that the results in the real world (Russia, China, etc.) are minor aberrations of said 'ideal', rather than the actual natural outcome ("chickens coming home to roost", as the maxim goes) when such a bankrupt and immoral philosophy is brought to fruition in some unfortunate nation's realpolitik.

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