ATM: My Dinner With Andre


Let's discuss this wonderful film! Here is the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWB6ZOhduvU

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I think this film is a masterpiece. In my opinion, it is flawless. Even though it is just two people talking, it is very compelling and entertaining. A really intelligent film. 10/10 for me.

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So glad people are still watching/discovering this awesome film. I remember when I first heard it discussed on Siskel & Ebert decades ago, how they raved about it.

It's really what our world needs right now: a lesson in how to carry on an intelligent, well-mannered conversation. Something that has been lost in an era of polarized politics, social media, and smartphone obsession.

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I just finished watching. The first 30-minutes Wally's face pretty much summed up my reaction. It's like a TEDTalk disguised as a movie, but this time the YouTube commenter strikes back, and finally thrown into a deep existential crisis (at least for awhile before the next video autoplays).

That said, I quite enjoyed it as it is and it reminds me of Leo Tolstoy book I read some time when I was in college. The tittle escapes me right now, but I'll get back to that in a moment. The structure and setting of the movie also reminds me of a similar conversational --umm, can I say... genre?-- of another movie starring Samuel L. Jackson and Tommy Lee Jones tittled The Sunset Limited (2011). The later is more religious themed, but I think what Andre described could also be said as (pseudo)-religious anyway.

So, what makes you say it's a masterpiece? Is it changing your life somehow?

Edit: The book was "The Pilgrim Progress" by John Bunyan, not Leo Tolstoy. My bad.

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I don't consider it life changing, but I think it is masterpiece because it is as close to perfect as a film can be. I loved everything about it and can't think of anything that I would change. A special film, exceptionally well crafted.

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Although I've never seen it, I seem to recall Siskel & Ebert having a lovefest with this film when it was first released.

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It is a very charming, likeable film so that doesn't surprise me. You should check it out and see what you think.

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If I ever get the chance....however my choice of a movie at any given time is dependent upon my frame of mind.

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I see. I liked how the camera movements, cuts, and the subject placements. They are very deliberate and rather ahead of the time for 1981. I agree that it has such a charming feel to it. Not unlike the plastic bag snippet from American Beauty. Even with a subject that is very mundane they achieve somekind of a soothing effect. I personally also like the subway scene. And contrasted with the taxi ride at the ending it shows the character's development through environment. Slick.

However, the entire conversation was very lenghty thus I can't apreciate it solely from the cinematography. Only when the subject matter of the discussion interests you that you can stand it for so long. Maybe if I watched this before I got to read the book I mentioned earlier (which was called "The Pilgrim Progress" by John Bunyan, not Leo Tolstoy, now that I remember it) I may sucked in, but as it is now that I have long past that "phase" I think, I just strolled along the convo. I actually watch the movie while slurping a bowl of soup just like what Wally did (and making frequent eye-squints also like he did lol). I was also more interested to what Wally would say than those of Andre.

Do you more Wally or Andre?

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I think I liked Wally a little more than Andre, but I do like both of them.

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I agree with your summation. I think you really need to be interested in the discussion for the film to be truly engaging on more than just the cinematic craftsmanship that went into making it.

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There is no reason for this film to be good. It's two guys talking during a meal. Happens thousands of times a day.
All I know it is good. In fact it's great.

My favorite parts are the subtle comedy.
Andre goes on with his stories either Wally is not interested or doesn't buy what he's saying.
So he grasps onto some little tidbit. Is he still thin or have you seen Violet's are Blue.
Disagreeing about an electric blanket.
Each man obviously has different views on life. They still listened and respected each other.
It goes to show you can have discussions, disagreements and still leave as friends.
A lesson that a lot of the world can learn from.

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Unlike political discussions in MovieChat lol 😂

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Exactly.
Political discussions, religion, who's a troll, etc...
There are many.

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I guess I'm going to be the one to swim against the current. I was not impressed with this film. There's nothing wrong with the concept, but I was bored by the conversation. The only thing I can remember is Andre making some absurd comment about sleeping in frigid Chicago in the winter without an electric blanket. Something about making him feel alive or something. I give it a 6.5/10. Sorry.

I actually liked Wally Shawn much better in "The Princess Bride". "Inconceivable!"


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Thank god for this group, otherwise I don’t know when I would’ve gotten to some of the movies on my own time! Anyway, on to the movie.

This is the type of film I like in principle. I like the concept behind it. It’s really gutsy for a whole film to be just one long conversation. And that, I suspect, brings its own set of challenges in regards to “how do you make two people, talking, visually interesting?” On that note, the film was expertly shot.

I also have to commend the performances. Shawn and Gregory make this feel like a real conversation, from the line delivery to their reactions. And those were a lot of lines, especially for Gregory. I’m sure writing the movie helped with that.

All that being said I had a hard time with the actual contents of the film. Now, I have been exhausted this past week, so that may have something to do with it, but twice I start the film, and 20 minutes in I fall asleep. Not since Stalker has this happened to me, and a Tarkovski is a much tougher watch, so I don’t know what happened here. Also, I found my gaze drifting on occasion, which is never a good sign.

Much of the conversation wasn’t that engaging to me. I didn’t find much of what Andre had to say all that interesting, and I wasn’t much fond of his worldview to be honest. The only moments that I really liked through that long conversation were when he was talking about losing his mother and when Wally finally said that he wasn’t buying what Andre was selling (in a manner of speaking). Which is how I felt though-out the whole film. Maybe that was the intent though. And in general I fall more on Wally’s side of things and I could empathize with him grasping at little things to keep the conversation going.

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I also liked the little lulls in the conversation, when a topic had run its course and there was this little silence before they moved on. And the breaks when the waiter was coming in to bring food or take an order. I’m not sure what you’d call those, act breaks?

If I re-watch it in ten years time, maybe my reaction to their conversation would be different, when I’m closer to the characters age and life experience (and hopefully better rested). But for now, it just wasn’t the right film for this phase of my life.

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I think Andre bordered on being pompous.
He would have crossed the line if he didn't actually believe everything he said.
I think we have all been in those conversations at sometime in our lives.

Even Wally got fed up with it towards the end. That's when he gave his opinion.
The lulls are what happens in everyday conversations. Problem is when you're at dinner and not finished eating
you have to finish. You have not place to go, unless you want to be rude.
It's almost like we were just at a table next to them listening to the conversation.

Haven't seen Stalker yet. It's on my list. Did you finally get through it ?

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I wouldn't say he was bordering. I found him to be very pompous, but I'll give him that he was aware that he was to a degree. And sadly, just like those conversations in real life, my mind tends to wonder when I'm not interested in what the other person has to say. That's my only "problem" with the film, my disinterest in the topics. Everything else was excellently constructed.

I have seen almost all of Stalker, except some bits in the middle (when I was asleep). And since I saw it once in the cinema and once on TV, I couldn't go back and re-watch what I missed. It really is an endurance challenge that film (for me at least).

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Andre had some very unique life experiences. Much different from the "normal" person.
Wouldn't anytime he told his stories come across as pompous ?
Unless you're talking to somebody else that went through the same things, how could he
not come across as pompous? It might seem like he was bragging but he was only telling his stories.

BTW I really liked Solaris.

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It's not really the life experiences themselves, per se. It's his whole attitude I think. This is a man who would prefer to stay cold during the winter, because it would make him feel alive. I don't think he has ever been faced with the cold without an option to keep warm. So to him, this would be a novel thing to try, and after that, he'd have a neat story to tell of how he braved the cold for an evening and how it gave him some amazing insights of life, or somethin of the sort.

Whereas Wally, someone familiar with that cold, just accepts the reality of needing an electric blanket and doesn't see any higher meaning in staying cold. In my view, he has really lived through all that, so the romanticism and the need to subscribe some abstract, higher ideas to it just isn't there.

Andre goes to all these places and experiences all these things, but as he said himself, he is like a tourist. He doesn't really live them, not for long enough to get any true, meaningful understanding of them. So to me, that's why he just comes of as pompous, and if he hadn't even that little experience with them, I'd even call him pretentious.

It's like going into an ice cream shop and just tasting the samples. When you meet a friend later, can you really say that you've had some delicious ice cream today?

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If I had a bunch of ice cream samples and they were good I would certainly say I had some delicious
ice cream today. If it was delicious why wouldn't you say that?

I do get what you're saying about Andre. Most of his experiences were just a novelty.
But, if they were really life changing is it still a novelty? He told of his experiences but we really
don't know if they were enough to change his life.

So pompous , I might give you that. I really can't see him as pretentious. I never once thought that
he was bragging or showing off with his stories. I felt he was just excited about his experiences and
wanted to share them with his friend.

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But can you compare a sample of some good ice cream with a bowl of good ice cream?

I think they were just a novelty for the most part. Look at the way he talks about loosing his mother, and how that's changed his perspective and view of himself and other people. The way I see it, he finally went through a real experience, something that has affected him profoundly. Because of that I think he was at a turning point in his life.

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If I eat enough samples it would be equal to a bowl so it would be the same.

It would be kind of interesting to see a sequel. Maybe just to to see where they went
with their lives.

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I'm still not convinced a bunch of samples are equal to one good serving of ice cream. Do the samples make you feel alive? lol

My Lunch With Andre. It would be interesting to see how/if they've changed, and them to reflect on their lives in their old age.

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Anytime I get a free sample of anything makes me feel alive.
Especially during a beer fest or whisky fest.

Think of it this way you could have one bowl of Rum Raisin. Which would be incredible.
Or have a whole bowl of 20 flavors.

Lunch would be good. It's usually shorter . They could catch up in half the time.
Maybe even My Morning Break with Andre.

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If I have a whole bowl of 20 flavors, I wouldn't be able to taste any one of them. And I've never been one for mish-mash (the dish).

It would be interesting to see what long winded "life affirming" qualities Andre prescribes to having to get up to pee every hour during the night... But breakfast would be better, since they both would probably be up at 4 A.M. anyway.

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You wouldn't have to mix them altogether. You eat each one individually.
You would get to savor each flavor and appreciate what each has to offer.
Variety is the spice of life.

If Andre was getting up to pee every hour, I'm sure it would have changed
his life in some significant way.

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Are we having our own "electric blanket dispute". How meta of us! Anyway, I'd prefer to have a bowl, or three, of some great ice cream, than to have just a spoon full of a bunch if different kinds. Tasty as they may be, I want to savour that deliciousness for as long as possible.

I agree, getting up to pee every hour would be life changing.

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Are we having our own "electric blanket dispute
I think we are. It is very meta of us isn't it.

I can appreciate wanting to make it last as long as possible.
What if you were eating a steak, baked potato, (loaded of course) and some peas.
Would you eat each one individually until you were done then move on to the
next one ?

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It's not the same thing IMO. One is a treat, the other one is a meal.

If i'm having a meal, I want variety. If I'm having a treat, I want one big tasty taste. I might get something different tomorrow, to get that variety. But I prefer it if they are one at a time.

I also understand wanting that variety of tastes.

P.S. I think this... metaphor? simile? has gone too far!

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LOL.
I really don't know what to call this either. I also totally agree.
I did learn if you ever come to my house you'll get a bowl(s) of 1 ice cream.
I wouldn't even dream of asking you if you wanted a different flavor. :)
What about Neapolitan Ice cream? This is a fair question.
Sorry couldn't resist. :P

Can you ever really go too far when talking about ice cream ?

Time for a new movie this week. Not a smashing turnout for this one.
Maybe lack of interest in the movie? Are Notifying people if they are next up?

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My favorite is called Death By Chocolate. Pretty intriguing name for an ice cream flavor, don't you think ?

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I really don't eat much ice cream. Rum Raisin,a cheesecake one once in a while or plain vanilla with fresh raspberries or strawberries.

I've never heard of Death By Chocolate.
What a great name. How could not try it.
I will have to try this just to say I did.

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Rum Raisin is an equally intriguing name for a flavor.

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I've always wondered where that came from.
Who thought of mixing rum and raisins and put them in an
ice cream. Whoever did this deserves an award of some sort.

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It immediately reminded me of Raisin Jack, or moonshine.

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In all fairness, when I get a cone, I get three flavours. But those are proper balls of ice cream, not a few spoonfuls.

As for the new movie, I don't know if you saw, but Allaby and actionkamen announced their picks at the same time. So the "new" pick is already there, we just need to bump the thread, to remind the other folks that it's time for actionkamen's pick.

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Thank you for that. That way you get to enjoy a flavor more
than just a taste but you get to do it three times. This a great way.

BTW, I chuckled when I read "proper balls" . The only reason I laughed
is because I'm 12. I know, I know.

I forgot about the pick. I don't remember it but I remember him
picking one.

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I thought twice about that phrasing, but it was the best way to put it!

Well, if actionkamen doesn't bump it, and I can't bump it, you now have a task for Sunday/Monday :P

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Well isn't that convenient.
More homework.

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And it will be on the test, so don't slack off!

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Damn, it's been two weeks already?! I still have to rewatch My Dinner with Andre. Was in the middle of a post here on it, based solely on my remembrances of seeing it years ago, when my computer froze and, poof, post gone.

I still intend to watch it again and post my thoughts, but for now would like to say how much I've enjoyed reading everyone's thoughts on this film.

And, briefly, from what I remember, I loved the concept of an entire film made of a conversation between two people, that was successfully pulled off as feeling very natural and unscripted.

The two of them reminded me of Siskel and Ebert, with Wally being Ebert and the other (more pompous) guy being Siskel.

Both actors are to be commended for taking on and pulling off an incredibly dialogue-heavy script.

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It sucks that you lost your post like that Cats!

I like the concept as well and was impressed with the amount of dialogue the actors had to learn!

I'm not too familiar with Siskel and Ebert (only seen brief bits on Youtube), but someone mentioned that they liked the film. Maybe they saw a bit of themselves in it as well (not that that's the only reason they'd like it).

I'm looking forward to reading you thoughts on it when you re-watch it :).

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I agree with this line of reasoning. Plus, one would have the added benefit of variety, which is what makes a buffet so popular.

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This is what I'm saying. Why have one great thing when you can have 10 great things.

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I agree. He did come off as pompous, and kind of dumb, talking about sleeping without an electric blanket because
it made him feel alive, or some such nonsense.

As to Stalker, I've seen it and if you decide to view it, good luck in making any sense of it. I could make none.
It was totally incomprehensible.



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"It was totally incomprehensible"
Story of my life.

I will watch Stalker one of these days.

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Good luck. Please let me know if you can make any sense of it.



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Amen, Mina. I could not agree more.

And Tarkovski is a MUCH tougher watch than almost anything. I couldn't make head nor tail of Stalker or Solaris. I sort of enjoyed Ivan's Childhood simply because it seemed to make some sense. To me Tarkovski is the Ingmar Bergman of Russia, only more obscure.


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I didn't understand much of Stalker either to be honest. I started watching Nostalgia recently, and that didn't go so well either. But what I did see of it was beautiful to watch. I might have better luck with Solaris, since I've read the book, so that might be the next film of his that I try to tackle properly.

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Good luck with that..



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Some of Bergman's stuff is a little obscure. He also has some great movies that are just movies.
Not all of his movies involve deep thought or reflection.
Imagine if Bergman did Stripes.

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Oh holy crap! That would have been a complete friggin' disaster!



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Or the best film ever created.
Just sayin.

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It certainly wouldn't be as funny.



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It might have been better.
Little known fact- Bergman was a riot.
His dream was to do stand up on The Tonight Show.

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Oh those wacky Swedes!


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I completely made that up. I have no excuse.
The Swedes are a little wacky. They do give one hell of a massage.

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Cracking me up over here.


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