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Is MDWA timely, timeless, or out of time?


I'm offering up a new topic for discussion about MDWA.

I've followed the postings here for years as well as creating many topics and postings myself. One trend in the majority of postings I've noticed has to do with the relevance of the film to today's world (or '.Sitz im Leben' for the academics). Thirty years ago, it was spot-on. Thirty years later, where is it?

Does it speak to today's world in a relevant (i.e. trending) way?
Is it a classic film cinematically expressing Heidegger's sentiments in Being and Time?
Or is it a film to share the same (oldie, moldy) shelf space as Easy Rider, Joe, or Saturday Night Fever?

I encourage you when you reply to identify your age group to make your response more pertinent.
I was 34 when MDWA was released, a baby boomer...LOL

Ben
"The Road is life." -Jack Kerouac

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Perhaps the world has changed, (and the technology in it has changed exponentially) but MDWA is not dependent upon irrelevant cultural details to tell its story. Just as you wouldn't create a beautiful oil painting of a sylvan scene proudly featuring your shiny new SUV, Wally and Andre's conversation is not dependent upon the current gadget or oddity in the news. Even though they mention a few news events, they're not really discussing those events; they're discussing their reactions to them. They could have fabricated events to discuss, but why bother? It's clever to know the inside jokes in Shakespeare, but understanding the plays is not dependent on that at all.

If what you and I had considered common knowledge may appear to be less widely possessed than before, it may only be that we have become exposed to the thinking of the general population as it has always existed. In the past it took a bit of skill to write a book or make a movie or play an instrument. Now it is easier for people to acquire access to media without acquiring the artistic sensibilities we associate with creativity. Now, thanks to the internet, reality TV, cell phones, etc we hear more and more from people who haven't earned it. Knowledge is not democratic; not all opinions are equal, but they are now equally available. It does not sound the death knell for art or intellect that we're exposed to a wider sampling of thought.

I first heard of MDWA via Siskel and Ebert who had a film review show because they were respected critics for large newspapers. Now anyone can text an opinion. It's not the downfall of thought; it just sounds like it.

MDWA is still about two people searching for meaning in their lives. This is a universal quest that will never be irrelevant. My copy is on my shelf with Hitchcock, Woody Allen, The Coen Brothers, Orson Welles and David Mamet. If MDWA is irrelevant, so is "Five Easy Pieces" or "Richard III."

[I was 27 when MDWA was released.]

I coulda done a lot worst than sit
in Skid Row drinkin wine
Jack Kerouac



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I wish more people had responded to this post, because it poses an interesting question.

Yes, I do think the film remains relevant 30 years on, because its primary questions are about living a meaningful live, a fully engaged life, rather than simply being a machine that runs on the social & cultural programming we receive from birth onward. If anything, our civilization is in worse shape now than it was then, and the question of how to live well & authentically in a darkening age is all the more pressing today. I also think that as we get older, such questions become more pressing, no matter what the era.

I just turned 60 a couple of weeks ago, so Baby Boomer here, too ...

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I believe it is very relevant today. I think there is a lot of truth and wisdom that is timeless in the film. I am currently 33 and saw it for the first time today. I was one year old when it first came out. It is an excellent film and I rated it 10/10.

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Timeless.

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35 here (2 yrs old when this was released!) and I still think it's relevant. Andre's rants about society still ring true even over 30 years after the movie was release

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I just watched it for the first time, and think as time goes on it becomes increasingly relevant. With the invention of devices that detract from the human experience, it has become and will continue to become much more difficult to really experience life. For the whole that is. Any one person can decide for themselves.

Having an opinion can save your life. Just ask Marvin.

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Timeless...now then whenever. This film has and will live a very long life.

There is another reality...NEVERWHERE

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Yes, I agree. I'm a "Millennial" and have seen it twice now. Both times it filled me with a sense of calm.

I feel more than ever that we live in a "dream world," divorced from reality. Honestly, I would love to have a dinner conversation like this... where a friend and I could just sit and talk about ideas and meaning without getting texts, shouting over loud music, getting distracted by a TV in the background, or being rushed out by a waiter. Where we could just focus on each other and truly listen to what the other person was saying. A good, long conversation itself now seems like such a rarity.

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It's the kind of reality I dream of. Having relationships with people where we both feel comfortable enough to share our deepest thoughts, unfiltered. I have a few friends like this, but not many.

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I couldn't agree more, trippy. The world is becoming faster-paced & as a result more superficial. There's just no time for people to slow down & reflect, talk in depth, experience the quiet wonders & beauties of both the world & genuine human interaction. Ironic, considering that the vast advances in technology were supposed to make life easier & free up time for people -- "Well, it's done quite the opposite!" as Andre says.

Believe it or not, when I was a boy in the early 1960s, one of the biggest problems looming in the future was supposed to be what we would do with all of the leisure time we'd have, thanks to our technology doing everything for us -- ha!

It takes real effort & energy to actually slow down, relax, settle into a more contemplative & conversational state today. It's actual work, a constant & conscious resisting of the frenetic status quo that's almost entirely mere surface now.

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So true. It seems that technology has only made it easier for work to follow you wherever you go. And our attention itself is a "commodity" that social networks, etc. compete for so they can sell advertisements. It's in their interest to constantly distract people.

I've begun to protect my mental space and concentration. I'll take my dog for a long walk and go wherever my dog leads, without trying to rush the process, just to take the time to appreciate my surroundings. I've deleted my Facebook and Instagram. I've installed a program that blocks the internet on my computer at certain times of day. Instead of surfing click-bait on the web, I'll pick up a good classic novel. I may even revert to having a "dumb phone."

I think more and more people are realizing the emptiness of all the distractions. Right now it feels somehow radical to opt out of the digital "dream world," but I believe it will become more common. If I have kids, I will do everything in my power to save them from wasting their lives on screens. I want them to be able to have conversations like Wally and Andre without reaching for their phones.

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trippy, you give me hope for the future.

There's so much emphasis on quantity of life these days, trying to cram in as much as possible, as quickly as possible, that quality of life gets lost in the frantic rush. Everything seems to be a checklist: do A, check it off the list; do B, check it off the list. And this applies to things that should be savored at leisure, reflected upon, allowed to unfold in their own time. Except that there's always the next hundred things demanding our time -- none of them urgent or vital, most of them meaningless. So many things demand our time & attention, and all too often we tend to simply accept that they have the right to demand it. If we decline, we're being "selfish" or "antisocial" or some other dismissive, accusing pejorative.

It sounds as if you've taken good concrete steps to live a deeper, more meaningful life for yourself. My wife & I spend a lot of time in our local parks, just lingering over whatever appears before us, be it bird or animal or flower or leaf or insect ... sometimes it's simply the color of the light through the trees, depending on the time of the day. Nature is a wonderful antidote to the artificial landscape of modern society! Maybe looking closely at & really seeing one autumn leaf is going to Everest, after all.

And yes, reading a classic novel really does immerse one in a more contemplative world, one of depth & subtle emotions ... a world of richness & beauty. I've begun to explore classic works that I supposedly didn't have time for in the past -- now, it's the empty distractions that I don't have time for, and I don't miss them in the least.

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Its aged more like milk than wine. Andre's new age spiritualist claptrap sounds embarrassingly dated in 2016, some good points are made by both men but it's almost a matter of probability than intent or talent. They spend 2hrs desperately trying to say something poignant is it really a shock they do it a few times? They'd almost have to.

It's a brilliant film made by brilliant filmmakers but for so much talk it says surprisingly little

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Maybe the specifics of Andre's talk might sound dated to some, but people have been pursuing the essence of it for centuries, and many still do so now.

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Baby boomers self indulgence is grotesque to younger people.

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Not so much self-indulgence as the opportunity to do more than just struggle to survive, due to the booming economy & creative zeitgeist of the 1960s. I agree, it's harder for a young person today to find the time & energy for such exploration, because it's so much effort simply to pay rent & bills & plan for a future that may not ever come together. Maslow's hierarchy of needs: food & shelter & some measure of security, then self-actualization. Current culture makes it almost impossible for young people to think beyond getting through each day, and can't even offer a decent hope of a secure future for most of them.

And yet, one of the points Andre is making is that a failure to examine the ideas that form a corrosive culture is precisely what keeps that culture alive & corrosive. Yes, things are different today ... but why? Who benefits from a dog-eat-dog, rapaciously consumerist culture? Why do so many buy into it, other than that it's the model they were born into & simply accept as a given? How do we break out of it & transform it? Questions that all too many with power don't want the rest of us asking ...

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Well put Owlwise...intelligence still exists
Cheers
kfy

There is another reality...NEVERWHERE

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Thank you, meslon!

re: the post previous to mine: Is it self-indulgence to want to understand yourself better, to know why you are as you are, and why you do what you do? Is it self-indulgence to want a life that's personally meaningful, rather than one that's been pre-fabricated for you & built as one-size-fits-all (equally cramped & uncomfortably)?

I don't think so.

Yes, basic survival comes first. Brecht said, "Grub first, then ethics." But then what? Is it enough to simply survive, exist, without growing beyond that? Without wondering, questioning, striving to be a more authentic human being? And I'm not talking about narcissism -- there's already far too much of that, and it's just another way of avoiding growth. And if you stop growing, you stagnate. You die, even if your body keeps on working for another few decades. That's what Andre is talking about: being truly alive.

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This seems especially & frighteningly pertinent now:

Now, of course, Björnstrand feels that there's really almost no hope, and that we're probably going back to a very savage, lawless, terrifying period. Findhorn people see it a little differently. They're feeling that there'll be these pockets of light springing up in different parts of the world, and that these will be, in a way, invisible planets on this planet, and that as we, or the world, grow colder, we can take invisible space journeys to these different planets, refuel for what it is we need to do on the planet itself, and come back. And it's their feeling that there have to be centers now where people can come and reconstruct a new future for the world.

And when I was talking to, uh, Gustav Björnstrand, he was saying that, actually, these centers are growing up everywhere now. And that what they're trying to do, which is what Findhorn was trying to do, and, in a way, what I was trying to do. I mean, these things can't be given names, but in a way, these are all attempts at creating a new kind of school or a new kind of monastery. And Björnstrand talks about the concept of "reserves", islands of safety where history can be remembered and the human being can continue to function in order to maintain the species through a dark age. In other words, we're talking about an underground, which did exist in a different way during the Dark Ages among the mystical orders of the church. And the purpose of this underground is to find out how to preserve the light, life, the culture, how to keep things living.

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