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Loomis' monologue about Samhain and the druids

posted 8 years ago by Mr_Ectoplasma
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I re-watched the series over the weekend, and noticed something that I'd never really picked up on before. Loomis goes on a diatribe about Samhain and the druids in the car with Marion before they turn around and head back to the hospital; I don't remember it word-for-word, but it had to do with the druids and appeasing the gods with sacrifice.

I have to wonder then if there was some vague intention to take the Michael plot line into the territory that we get in Part 6 way back in 1979–80 when Part 2 was written.

I always thought Part 6's plot was a bit arbitrary and weird, but now I wonder if the end of Part 5 and the whole of Part 6 (the cult narrative) were something that was being thought about dating back to Part 2?

[–] dave626 8 years ago

It served several purposes. It foreshadowed Michael's fire death, was expanded on in Halloween III by Carpenter into a separate story and finally incorporated into 6 with it's own cult themes.

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[–] GorchBrother 8 years ago

The first movie is set on Halloween night, aka Samhain in the ancient celtic traditions, for a reason.

It's not like in the middle of Home Alone 2 they realised that subsequent Home Alone movies could exploit and expand on the idea of Christmas and Christmas trees, Christmas presents etc in that movie.

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[–] DrDanielChallis 8 years ago

You should read the Halloween (I) novelization - it actually starts out with a curse from hundreds of years ago that also caused Michael's great grandfather to snap

[–] mav100000 8 years ago

Still get a kick out of it every time he pronounces Samhain incorrectly!

Cheers mate!

[–] dave626 8 years ago

Dr. Dan, it's been a few years, but I definitely remember that. I own the book. It is a neat little add on. Sadly, since it was book only and not in the movie, it's not exactly canon, but more of "Curtis Richards" licensed embellishment meant to fill pages.

In other words, not Carpenter's idea.

mav, at least Halloween III got it right. I think Halloween 6 producer's cut got it wrong again though. Loomis was a doctor, not a warlock/male witch like Cochran. Loomis wouldn't know how to pronounce it, but Cochran definitely would.

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[–] cjh8504 8 years ago

And he did. In America we pronounce it Samhain. Not Sowhain, or however it's spelled.

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[–] Irishdrummer007 7 years ago

"In America we pronounce it Samhain. Not Sowhain, or however it's spelled"

Well Samhain is not a American word. It is A Irish word. It is Pronounced Sowin. No matter if you are from America or not.

[–] cjh8504 7 years ago

Americans pronounce words differently. Like schedule. In England the emphasize the H like Shedule. In America it's more like skedule. There's many others.

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[–] Leo_Rossi 7 years ago

Well Samhain is not a American word. It is A Irish word. It is Pronounced Sowin. No matter if you are from America or not.

You're wasting your time trying to reason with this cat. Him and logic mix like oil and water.

[–] cjh8504 7 years ago

No, he's okay. He's just confused is all, Leo. He's not American.

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[–] Leo_Rossi 7 years ago

You are the "cat" I'm referring to. You say that Americans pronounce things different than people from other countries. Loomis isn't American, he's English. Don't you think he would pronounce the word closer to what the Irish would rather than how an American would?

[–] cjh8504 7 years ago

I know. I'm just joshing you. And it depends how long he's been in America, I guess. People lose their accent, dialect, whatever after living in a place and being around the inhabitants long enough.

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[–] DrDanielChallis 8 years ago

I always figured it was good to go for the book, but not really a part of the movie canon - a little bonus for taking the time to read - I love additional content that only enhances without drastically changing anything or spelling it out for me

it actually helped connect III to the first two movies, just as far as pagan lore being the thread through all 3 of those when keeping the novelization in mind

[–] cjh8504 8 years ago

That is interesting, Dr. You've read the novel for III too?

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[–] DrDanielChallis 8 years ago

no, I haven't - perhaps I misspoke?

I had meant that the Halloween novelization helped to bolster the pagan theme and one could keep it in mind while viewing HI-HIII and then from that perspective, there would be an overarching Halloween theme that runs through those

I *think* I saw an ebook or the audio reading of HIII on youtube but I haven't read/listened yet if my memory is correct

any good books you read lately?

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[–] cjh8504 8 years ago

I'm reading a book on the Titanic now from, Reader's Digest that's quite interesting. What about you?

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[–] simest 8 years ago

Still get a kick out of it every time he pronounces Samhain incorrectly!

Me too!

Having grown up in Ireland where the word originated, it makes me wince when I hear Pleasence mispronounce it.

Thank heavens Dan O'Herlihy was on hand for the next movie to better inform them!

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[–] GorchBrother 8 years ago

Good owl' Dan! He's good craic, so he is.

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[–] simest 8 years ago

Be-God yer roish!

A grand owl fella indeed!

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[–] Verdugo85 7 years ago

So the Halloween (I) novelization declares Michael as "the victim" of his evil and it's canon to the Halloween III movie?