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I find this scarier and more suspenseful than the original


I like the original film...I find it overrated, but I like it. To this day I don't know why people praise it so much. The film takes its time more than any other film I have ever seen, and when Michael actually starts showing up, it just doesn't capture that feeling of dread from me.

In the first film, he was always waiting in the shadows far away...so far away, in fact, that it never triggers any alarms. Yeah it's creepy seeing a guy across the street staring at you, but there is no immediate threat. In the sequel, he still waits in the shadows, but he's SO DAMN CLOSE to the characters that you wait with baited breath. It gives you that paranoia feel like "is something watching ME right now in my house?". It gave me the chills. The hospital gives the entire movie a claustrophobic feel, similar to the original Alien. Michael is in the hospital and nobody knows it. He is around every character and nobody knows it. I found him to be much scarier and much more suspenseful in the sequel. He is always RIGHT THERE. I just finished watching the sequel for the first time in a long time, and my heart still needs to calm down. The original film kind of made me bored to be honest, but this film, man...that was intense. Michael was a truly unstoppable force that was pure evil. You can't see him, you can't kill him, but he's always there. I don't know, I just feel like they did Myers much better in this film than in the original. When the nurse found the doctor with the needle in his eye and Myers was right behind her, that was a big "holy sh!t" moment, and the chase scene was absolutely amazing, better than the one in the original I think. When Laurie was hiding in the car I was holding my breath, I completely empathized with her character, I found that scene better than the closet scene from the first film. I mean how f-ing creepy is Myers in this? He just keeps walking, completely expressionless...so damn creepy. His presence in this film was fantastic, I mean he was larger than life and much more intimidating. I know I'm in the minority thinking that this film did everything better, but it's what I think. The kills were also amazing. These kills weren't done by any crazy psychopath...they were methodical and intelligent, and this made it so much more disturbing.

Again I don't hate the original, it's a great film, I just don't find it very entertaining and definitely not as scary as other people think it is. The best part of the original is the last 20 seconds or so when you hear his breathing and see various shots of the house. I love the idea that Michael can literally be anywhere and everywhere at once, and I think the sequel did that so much better. In the hospital when the camera wasn't on him I kept thinking to myself "where is he now?" and not knowing where he was gave me a bit of anxiety. Laurie in her weakened state elevated this anxiety because she was essentially helpless at escaping him. I just really enjoyed this one, I think it was an excellent film and I got really into it.

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Halloween II if had been the original, would've been okay. But you have to realize that they are 2 completely different films. The first was simplistic, minimal cast, no blood. All suspense and build and it flowed.

In comes Halloween II. More characters which leads to massive choppy cutaways. We're jumping from Michael, to Loomis, to Laurie, to the hospital and it's staff the entire film. So much for flowing. It's disjointed. Then there's the unnecessary blood/gore and body count, which in and of itself takes time and leads to little or no suspense. At least after Michael shows up at the hospital, then there is no suspense or tension whatsoever.

The female lead is injured and out of it most of the movie. That's bad. You have to rely on secondary characters to carry this movie and we know little to nothing about them because there was no time to develop backstory, like Laurie, Annie and Lynda in the original. That's also bad.

Halloween was original, innovative and even though Black Christmas and TCM came out before it, Halloween still is remembered better and greater than those. It holds it's own place in cinematic and horror history. II was just a response to the slashers like Friday the 13th and the other blood soaked slasher rip offs that followed Halloween. It was everything the original was not.

Then let's go behind the scenes. The original there was Carpenter, Hill and to an extent, Yablans, who came up with the name and the date. II had 2 directors, Carpenter and Rosenthal, multiple exec. producers, De Laurentisi, Akkad, Universal itself, even Yablans. So too many cooks with different visions. Everything I've heard was that this was not a smooth film to make, unlike the original.

So for all those reasons, I don't see II as better in any way except the family angle giving the series life and a purpose beyond just random killings. That would get old real quick, just look at Friday films. But that's just my personal opinion.

"He came home." - Dr. Sam Loomis from the original HalloweeN

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Don't listen to Dave. He don't even work. Halloween II is slightly superior to the original, Np. You are a 100% correct. Better paced, and hardly a dull moment.

RIP Gene Wilder. One of the funniest people of all time. RIP Robert Vaughn

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Don't listen to Dave. He don't even work. Halloween II is slightly superior to the original, Np. You are a 100% correct. Better paced, and hardly a dull moment.


Don't listen to Dave because he doesn't even work? Since when does someone's employment status make them more or less qualified to judge a movie?






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Yes I do work and you're an idiot. A lot of people don't work on Sundays. I do, but it's every other week or every 3 weeks. In any event, your lack of information about me is somewhat pleasing, but it also shows you shouldn't say things you know nothing about. You need to seriously grow up and not make these silly statements. Show some respect for others and decency. Then maybe people will like you and take you seriously. And you wonder why you're on ignore.

So in the future, please don't speak on things you have no clue about. Silence is better than being proved a fool.


"He came home." - Dr. Sam Loomis from the original HalloweeN

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It's a classic line from a classic comedy show.

RIP Gene Wilder. One of the funniest people of all time. RIP Robert Vaughn

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As Cosmo Kramer would say (paraphrasing):
"Can't you two see that you're completely in love with each other?"

An overall statement by me that isn't pointed in any one particular person's direction:
I work extremely hard to put a roof and clothes on my wife and kids' backs, to make sure we do some fun things as a family, and to hopefully someday tell my grandkids that they'll help them the same way their parents helped them. It is called being a family man.

If you don't WANT to work . . . then I'm not sure we'd have much in common other than superficial things

all that said, I'm here to keep it light as my days can be stressful enough

Who would you rather have on top of your automobile - Tawny Kitaen or Julie Carmen?

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Does anyone really WANT to work? People work cause they must. What do you do again?

RIP Gene Wilder. One of the funniest people of all time. RIP Robert Vaughn

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I'm sure male porn stars want to work.

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Females too, I hope. Lol.

RIP Gene Wilder. One of the funniest people of all time. RIP Robert Vaughn

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Gotta make a living somehow. Having sex with women and being paid for it legally is hard life. See what I did there? Seriously, what man wouldn't want to do that?


"He came home." - Dr. Sam Loomis from the original HalloweeN

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It's be quite the life.

RIP Gene Wilder. One of the funniest people of all time. RIP Robert Vaughn

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Idk why there's an argument so tense here. They're both great for different reasons. I prefer bloodier fare & it works in the sequel. I find these equal. They each have what the other lacks. Together they make a whole but are great as standalones. Hard to find these days.

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You hit the nail on the head. *You* like bloodier fare. Strictly opinion and taste. I say it didn't have to be bloodier and have a much bigger body count/cast, or if it did, do a better job of character development. Tough to do when you have 2 tiers, the survivors, Laurie, Michael, Brackett even Marion, then the new blood, everyone else. Someone's going to lose. The *facts* that Carpenter got drunk writing this, Wallace left and it felt it had to change with the times, beat the competition is what killed it.

The original's "flaws" were over lack of time/budget. Even so, went on to become one of the most successful independent films of all time. The sequel had time,budget and it still had flaws. Even JLC doesn't have much good to say about this one.

So with all that in consideration, after over 30 years of analysis, this is what I've got. II had a chance to be great, but it wasn't. They really dropped the ball on this one.


"He came home." - Dr. Sam Loomis from the original HalloweeN

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Don't listen to Dave. He don't even work. Halloween II is slightly superior to the original, Np. You are a 100% correct. Better paced, and hardly a dull moment.


Trouble in paradise? When did you stop licking Dave's scrotum? What happened, did he stop payment on your mail-order bride?

Whether Dave works or not he is entitled to his opinion. And BTW don't you work at CVS? Not exactly CEO of a fortune 500 company! For the record, this isn't a disparaging comment about those who work for CVS, a job is a job and money is money. I just find it remarkable how someone can juggle a job, a gf, and paying his share of rent and utilities while practically living on this message board. Dave at least gives the appearances that he has a social life and things other than IMDb.com to occupy his time.

You want to complain about how these boards are dead after Halloween? Well, hate to break it to you but you and your melodrama and people being sick of you and your melodrama is what killed these boards. 4-5 years ago these boards were hopping all year long until people started to take a stand against you and that either divided or united certain members, myself included. You're the Donald Trump of the Halloween and Halloween II boards and unfortunately a lot of us have dealt with you far longer than Trump will be in office.

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Not even a day back and you are already discussing CJ. You are really homobsessively in love with CJ, huh?

CJ has you in ignore, what ever crap you post about him, it's a waste time. Maybe you should go back on the Beyonce board and post more topics on Gays, Guns and Conservatives.

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Lmao says the person making threads about me. You summoned me back and I'm here to deliver as always. Only you don't know what I have in store and what my next move is because after I make it you'll be both surprised and have no other steam. Your days are numbered.

cj has nobody on ignore, you and I both know that and even if he did someone can copy and paste my posts for him to see. And POP goes the weasel.....MARK my words sweety.

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My very presence here is giving you life. You're creating new socks and you're back to being somewhat active in your life, still antisocial, but still. You're welcome.

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You seriously need to grow up.

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Only you don't know what I have in store and what my next move is because after I make it you'll be both surprised


Big talk no action, I have seen your act before Haddon, you don't scare me. Keep on talking to yourself cos no one is even talking to you anymore, you clown 

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All in time, dear.

You won't see it coming. Poor you. Let's just say this winter will be a memorable one! I'm organized. I can go months without being here and show up spontaneously and stir you up. And you doubt me? I already have you so shook you're making threads and you just created a new sock. Looks like you listen to me and you listen well. That will ultimately be your undoing but you're too stupid to put two and two together. And you're naive enough to think anyone still cares about this outside of maybe 2 people. Lately I'm the only person replying to your threads, imagine if I weren't so generous? When I left this board died and that's no coincidence.

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I agree "TOTALLY" 😀

The first Halloween is awesome but I think this one is a suspensful masterpiece.

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Look at pretentious Dave up there. "II had a chance to be great and dropped the ball." II was great and didn't drop ANYTHING. Wallace left and directed the worst performing movie out of all of them in III. Smart movie there. And he excuses the flaws in the original because of it's paltry budget, but because of II's bigger budget, it shouldn't have any flaws? How preposterous is that. Titanic is the most expensive film ever and that has flaws. Star Wars, Jaws, you name it. How much budget a movie has doesn't determine if it has flaws or not. What a dope.

RIP Gene Wilder. RIP Robert Vaughn. RIP Carrie Fisher. RIP William Christopher. 2016 is the worst!

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Wallace left and directed the worst performing movie out of all of them in III.


I take it math isn't your strong suit? III was not the worst performing Halloween movie. That distinction belongs to Halloween 5.

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I prefer part 2 over the original.
The hospital setting was it's own "surreal universe" I suppose. Overall -- it was the simplicity of it and I LOVE that it took place all in one night (for the most part).



"In every dimension , there's another YOU!"

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I prefer part 2 over the original.


So do I. The sequel is far more suspenful than the original.

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Definitely. And there's more of us out there than people like Dave think. II is tremendous.

RIP Gene Wilder. RIP Robert Vaughn. RIP Carrie Fisher. RIP William Christopher. 2016 is the worst!

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I disagree with most of what the OP said, i.e, the original is lacking in suspense, excitement and effectiveness. Granted, today it might not pack the same punch as it did back then, but its praise is warranted. We know almost nothing about "The Shape", and that is one of the main reasons the original remains one thoroughly chilling film in my book. Admittedly, when you take the sequels in consideration some of the suspense surrounding the original is erased. But either way you're still left with a moody and creepy masterpiece that takes a far more subtle approach than the sequels it spawned.

That aside, I will agree that the sequel is a more frightening film. While it can be said that this one feels like a typical slasher flick by contrast, the hospital setting, tone, direction, and all the shadowy shots put this one above others in the genre. And although Michael kills off his victims in a similar fashion to other iconic slasher villains, it is his calm demeanor throughout the movie that makes him slightly more intimidating than he was in the original... yet somehow less creepy. So all in all, I consider the original the superior film for many reasons. II, though, has a more sinister vibe from beginning to end.

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