This or Octopussy?


I like For Your Eyes Only more because it had a prettier Bond girl and a better villain. Kristatos was more hated than Kamal. And a villain is supposed to be hated. Kamal was barely a villain. Which of the two movies do you like more?

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I would rather have Octopussy. A whole lot of gimmicks in it and iIt was very slapstick with some really funny bits in it (not sure if it was intentional or not), like fannings reaction when Bond starts bidding on the egg. Bond doing a tarzan cry was cingy but funny in a stupid way. I thought Kamal, Orlov, the twins and Gobinda were great villains. Im my opinion FYEO was too serious and few gimmicks. The helicopter intro and the 2 CV chase was good and loved the S2 Lotus cars. Locke was the best villain out of the film but Christatos in IMO was a bit lame. Watched it with my son the other day and he lost interest after the 2 cv chase when it got really slow. I think FYEO and A view to a Kill are probably the weekest of Moores, althpough they are still reasonably good films

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And who was the most evil Bond villain of them all in your opinion?

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Oh I don't know. The newer films I dont know that well but from the older ones when you think what some of them did, Odd Job killing women with gold paint or his bowler, Jaws was evil in spy but was comedic too (did scare the life out of me as a young kid), what about Baron Samedi he must have been truly evil but didnt do much apart from the funny dance and laugh. I think Locke oozed evil with those eyes. Drax was evil for what he did to poor Corrine. Kid and Wint were evil but funny too. Zorin killing all his own men with the machine gun. What about Del Torro's character in Licence to kill, a real nasty guy. Oh I dont know. As Bond said couldn't be Stromberg as he had a good choice in champagne. There is just too many but Locke is def up there for me. Who do you think?

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I think the same thing that you think. By the way did Oddjob follow orders when he painted the girl gold?

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I agree. What about Blofeld who fed Helga Brandt to the piranhas?

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Most evil is tricky, because you have to weigh out the nastiness, not just their effectiveness as a villain or a bad guy are.

Blofeld might be Bond's arch-nemesis, but he's almost too cold to be "evilest". Now, he does revel in vice (SPECTRE's acronym embraces the sin of it all), but he himself is more detached than others.

The question also depends on whether you mean the "main" villain of each entry in the series, or are henchmen included?

I'd vote for Rosa Klebb. She seems filled with hate. She's almost joyless, only finding satisfaction with schadenfreude and sadomasochistic tendencies... yeah, she's a real piece of work. I consider her the main antagonist of FRWL, too, because Red Grant is answering to her. Although she's answering to "Number One"/ Blofeld, the head of SPECTRE isn't really the main threat here (if he were, we'd have to discount Dr. No from the running, too, and that doesn't sound right).

Now, if we're including henchmen, not just main antagonists, Dario has to be in the running. He instantly springs to mind. This is Benicio Del Toro's sadistic, perverted psychopath character in Licence to Kill. It's a chilling performance, and he's clearly evil to the gills.

But, then we must also consider some other strong candidates. Max Zorin was a Nazi-esque "superman" who clearly has no remorse for any but himself, Blofeld makes a business of world-scale evil, and Tomorrow Never Dies gave us Elliot Carver, a man who has no qualms about causing wars to sell newspapers. Couldn't he just shift to online clickbait like everybody else?

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I've never made it through Octopussy. I really liked FYEO.

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i prefer Octopussy

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For Your Eyes Only by far. This is my second favorite Bond film, Octopussy is in the bottom half.

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This, of course.

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Octopussy.

This is the worst Sir Roger effort. As per the very poor Dalton films, this one is entrenched in some really bad cheap 80s cinematography which makes it look like some extended TV episode rather than a movie.

It's not helped by the cheap looking wardrobe either. The awful C&A gilet Sir Roger wears being a prime example of this...

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Good points about Bond´s attire, he doesn´t look as good as he usually does. I felt they went for a grittier film here after Moonraker, maybe the pendulum swung a bit too much the other way. I can see your point about the cinematography too. All that said, I´d have it as a top 3 Moore film. I think I like Octopussy just a tad more though.

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What a silly question. Of course Octopussy was the better movie. Plus it had Bond yell like Tarzan swinging from tree to tree and a scene at the end dressed like a clown

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I think FYEO is clearly a better Bond movie than Octopussy in nearly all respects.

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