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Where are the birthers on these boards ?!?!?!


I would think there would be a ton of people pointing out the fact that Damien could never be the President because he was born in Rome !!!

And don't even try to tell me that Donald Trump would point that out because anybody who has any kind of sense knows Damien is a Republican !!!

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Robert and Kathy Thorn are American citizens, thus making Damien an American citizen. It would not matter that the birth took place in a foreign country.

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That's not true. It doesn't matter if the candidate's parents are citizens or not. The candidate must be a NATURAL born US citizen (Article II ; Section I)

John McCain's parents were both citizens, but he still wouldn't have been allowed to run for President if the Panama Canal Zone wasn't a territory of the US at the time. (as it isn't today)

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He could very easily have applied for and received dual citizenship.

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Doesn't matter. The person has to be a NATURAL born citizen.

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Damien was born in Rome & he was adopted, but very few knew he was adopted.

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Doesn't matter if he was adopted or not. He was born in Rome, not on US soil.

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He is the son of an Ambassador. Even if he was born in Italy, he is considered American.

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I don't know if that's true. John McCain's father was a commander on a submarine in Panama and his eligibility was still questioned. The official reason it was finally determined that he was a "natural-born citizen" was because Panama was eventually made a US territory and so those born there when that was proposed were retroactively granted "natural born" citizenship status.

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I found this: Going forward, an exception to “birthright citizenship” was the children of foreign ambassadors born on U.S. soil, who are considered citizens of their parents’ home country. The 14th Amendment’s clause “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” is now ignored in regard to a person born in the U.S. with foreign-citizen parents.

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No - that is not the subject here. That is determining the birthright status of children born IN the United States to foreign diplomats - not a child born in a foreign country to a US diplomat.

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The official reason it was finally determined that he was a "natural-born citizen" was because Panama was eventually made a US territory and so those born there when that was proposed were retroactively granted "natural born" citizenship status.

How old do you think John McCain is? The Panama Canal Zone was a territory of the U.S. between 1903 and 1979. McCain was born there in 1936.

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This is a really tricky subject apparently because I looked into it further (I don't know why I am spending this much time on it) and I was browsing through this document :

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42097.pdf

It looks like the subject of children of US diplomats on assignment abroad has never officially been ruled. On page 15 they mention it as a subject which probably should be "assumed".

They talk about it further on page 19 in which they mention John Jay's children were born abroad while he was on official assignment by the US government. Jay later ruled on the subject of "natural born" citizenship, but he did it under very vague terms. It is suggested that he himself would not have excluded his own children's eligibility to President in his judgment.

So, from what I can tell it looks like the subject has never truly been officially judged upon, which would mean that for now Damien wouldn't be eligible. A proposal for an amendment (and an official judgment) would need to take place.

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You may be right then. Heck, this is all confusing to me so I may have to bow out. LOL

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LOL - I think I'm gonna do the same.

Anyway, he's the Antichrist so I'm sure he could figure out a way to become Prez. haha

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Ted Cruz was born in Canada and he's running for President. His mother was a U.S. citizen who had lived in the U.S. for more than 10 years, which meant that Ted was a U.S. citizen from birth, thereby satisfying the "natural born" requirement.

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Well it's a moot point now, but had he won the Republican nomination, it is 100% certain that it would have ended up before the courts for a definitive ruling.

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