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Fulci - the most overrated name in horror


After seeing this for the second time (saw last night on the big screen :-)) I realised that Fulci has got to be the most over rated name in horror. Avoid all his movies unless you like cheap gore. He will do anything, no matter how senceless it is, to set up a gore scene. His use of sound effects are redicouls, when the spiders eat the guys face (which stretches like motzerala cheese when "eaten) it sounds like somebody is crunching on some potato chips. If you want to see good zombie films do youself a favor and watch Romeros zombie trilogy. If you know the horror/explotation/gore crowd most off them worship Fulci. Im not sure why, but Its almost cool to like fulci because you mention his name to the average movie watcher and they dont know who the hell your talking about. I give it a 4/10

ps, zombi was even worse

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Overly cheesy gore scenes are just like OVERACTING. They are BOTH NECCESSARY for quality horror films. Because horror films are all about overexaggeration...overexaggerated situations, overexaggerated fears, overexaggerated emotions, and overexagerated violence!!!
Romero's movies are far less entertaning, far less frightening, far more boring, and far tamer gorewise...making them...less entertaining!
I really don't understand how anyone could not like this movie.
You have bad taste, sucka!!!

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Metropol, you watch horror movies for the wrong reasons. You'll be surprised that there are genuinely good horror films, not the stupid crap you watch that's only fun gore-wise or because it's so bad it's good. Quality horror films can have good acting, good plotting, I mean everything about it can be top notch. So no, overacting and cheesy gore makes a sh*tty horror film.

Oh by the way, I didn't like the Beyond though I love the opening in sepia which is gorgeous. Other than that, it's muddled crap.

All we want is the woman! The others must die! They must all die! We don't even want the woman!

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Day of the Dead has to easily be one of the goriest movies of all time. I'm a huge Fulci fan and love many different facets of horror, gory or not, and I don't think Fulci ever made anything quite as realistic looking or over the top gory as Day of the Dead. Though I did think he was highly influential with how disgusting the majority of his scenes were. The main thing Fulci has over a lot of directors in the gore department is the overall mood of his gore scenes, and his movies as a whole. Stories aren't necessarily the most coherent, seemingly without an obvious message, nor do they have the most top of the line high budget special effects, but the mood is so uniquely Fulci and a lot of it is genuinely shocking and disturbing. Romero, and DotD in particular were landmark in the gore department, and they are probably my favorite movies ever, but the tone of a Fulci film is unparalled. They are moody, dreamlike, and disturbing.

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"Overly cheesy gore scenes are just like OVERACTING. They are BOTH NECCESSARY for quality horror films."

Whahahahahaha are you *beep* kidding me??? If you think this is quality horror you're an idiot. This is simply a low budget Italian B-horror film which only intend was to shock people with gory effects at the time. Other than that this movie is garbage

However I'm willing to give it a 5.9 just for the funny effects and the fact that it managed to make some people believe it's actually high quality (which it isn't).

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I think the only films I've seen pre 60's are Wizard of Oz and Sunset Blvd.

Not really interested. We've come a long way since then...

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Fulci paved the way for many other great horror movies, and did a lot of interesting and orignal film work.
He sets up great artistic shots that truly capture atmosphere and sense of place
his colors are vibrant, and his values and superb.
As well in this time, a lot of people were using bad orange-ish coloured blood, while fulci used his trademark bright red.
No other director even thought about keeping close up on scenes like a throat ripping on the screen for as long.
Unfortunately some scenes are tired or don't make sense.. the spider one is kind of terrible, cool idea but in lieu of effects by the likes of Savini and others, his spongy nutty-putty skin just doesn't hold up here.
His eye gouges, head explosions and decapitations are exceptional.
I think 70s disco music is exceptionally eerie, don't you?
Either way, I felt this movie really captured the spirit it was trying to exhibit, not to mention the general story was great.
I don't know how people were confused in any way, it was pretty easy to understand, I just think you're all *beep* idiots.

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I've seen just about every great horror movie ever made and Fulci's movies suck beyond compare. I love the people who say I don't like it because I don't get it. Oh, I get it and I want to get rid of it the minute any of his celluloid versions of Ambien end.

Zombie is lame, actually it's Zombie 2, intended to ride the sucess of another film he didn't make. No master would do that.

Another blasphemy: most of Argento's movies are weak as hell too. A movie is supposed to be thought-provoking and beatiful, but at the least it should be entertaining.

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You're full of the auteur theory. Sonny jim, Fulci didn't "name it" that, the distributors did...

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I for one think Fulci is way underrated, though I'm more into Umberto Lenzi. But I can se why people wouldn't get or like Fulci movies. Saying Argento is anything short of brilliant...that's just fĂĽcked up. Dario Argento is among the finest filmmakers in history, and ranks among his equals like Hitchcock, Kubrick, Cronenberg or Carpenter

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I don't think anyone was talking about Argento on this thread...I think we're talking about Fulci.

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Uhh..ever see Dracula 3D? You may wanna re-evaluate that take after you do. Comparing Argento to Hitchcock and Kubrick is pretty over-the-top.

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You didn't like the zombie-shark fight?

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Zombi 2 was made under the title Nightmare Island and was scripted and shot before Dawn of the Dead was released. It was retitled Zombi 2 by the distributors to cash in. Fulci had nothing to do with this.

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You obviously don’t care about atmosphere, the most key component of a great horror film.

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This guy....lol. No 70's disco isn't eerie...like, at all. The story was terrible and yes...the spider scene was dreadful. Oh...okay, if you say so...Fulci was the first guy to do close up gore scenes, wow...a true master!!! But, yeah...with so much exploration of the the director's genius you have truly made us look like *bleeping* idiots.

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Just watched The Beyond and for me, it has it's ups and downs.

Fulci's movies hold up because they not only contain realistic gore, but also atmosphere (he seemed to like blowing wind scenes plenty). I was very impressed with these elements, even if some of the throat-ripping appeared "rubbery".

My complaint about Fulci movies is that one is not very different from the other. "The Beyond" amounts to being just another Italian zombie flick. Even some of the zombies in The Beyond looked just like the ones creeping around in Zombi 2, same slow movements and gory make-up.

But if you don't mind getting deja-vu, these movies are enjoyable.

-L31

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Most over rated name in Horror...Wes Craven
Either you get Fulci or you don't...I just wish others would quit bashing him for something they don't understand...

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For sure man. Clearly, one can only dislike Fulci out of ignorance and stupidity. If you're a knowledeable person, you'll be a passionate fan. Objectively intellectual work.

Truly.

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COMPLETELY agree! They don't call Fulci the "god of gore" for nothing. People like that guy should stick to Dario Argento movies. The Beyond is probably my favorite movie of all time. And the gore! COME ON! The movie pretty much starts out with a bang and doesn't stop! House By The Cemetery is wonderful as well. Plus, Lucio uses such great music in his movies. It's one of the things that caught my interest when I first started watching his movies. You really have to have an admiration for film (especially gore/horror) to get into movies of this nature. If you're a hollywood box office whore, then I guess you wouldn't find the beauty in anything like this. Shame....

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If not liking Fulci because his movies are boring visually, his dialogue terrible, the acting subpar, his cinematography pedestrian then please explain to us...idiots, why Fulci is a master? What is this secret knowledge we are missing? What is it that you snobs know that us stupid people do not know?

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Verily, thou art erroneous. You dislike Fulci only because you're the lowest common denominator.

His work is infallible.
He is perfection.
He is God.

/sarcasm

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lol. got me!

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*humble bow*

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"Nightmare of Elm Street" and "Scream" blow away....annihilate anything Fulci ever did in horror, in my opinion. Fulci was celebrated for his dark humor. You really think "Scream" can't topple anything Fulci did? You really don't think "Scream" isn't more intelligent? Really?
But please, I know it's been 9 years but school us uneducated bashers as to why Fulci is a true master.

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"Nightmare of Elm Street" and "Scream" blow away....annihilate anything Fulci ever did in horror, in my opinion.


Scream?

Oh yes, "Scream", the movie that pointed out slasher films had tropes and revealed in it's own cleverness for doing so. I could make due with the complete lack of atmosphere and suspense if it had anything else going for it. Nope. A bunch of characters making references and pointing out cliches audiences were aware of when these films were being released.

"A Nightmare on Em Street" is craven's masterpiece. Most of the rest of his filmography was mediocre at best.

Well, "New Nightmare" was all right I suppose.

and don't get me started on his bad films. That "Carnival of Souls" remake was one of the worst things I've ever seen.

Fulci was celebrated for his dark humor.

No, he was celebrated for his direction and effects.

You really think "Scream" can't topple anything Fulci did? You really don't think "Scream" isn't more intelligent? Really?

Scream is like a college student who completed their first week of psychology or political science classes and suddenly act like they know the entire world inside and out. There's nothing clever in Scream. This kind of film had been done before and much better, such as "Return to Horror High". If you think pointing out tropes and making references makes an intelligent film, fair enough. I just think it makes for an obnoxious film that THINKS it's smart.

FUlci's films aren't pretending to be intelligent. They are what they are.

But please, I know it's been 9 years but school us uneducated bashers as to why Fulci is a true master.

His films looked amazing. On a technical level, he can be compared to the greats of film making, and only isn't cause he made horror films instead of avante garde. Add to that great effects and a generally great soundtrack for each of his films. No, the writing isn't great in any of his films, but those aren't why these films were made. Fulci's films are a visual, atmospheric feast. His films are highly memorable and stick much more than something like Scream ever will.

"It's just you and me now, sport"-Manhunter

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Scream was good for the new era of slashers, but the sequels? Ugh! And I don't think it fits to compare that to any of Fulci's material.

"That's it. It bit into his arm-pit. Like It wanted to eat him, man. Like It wanted to eat his heart."

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"Nightmare of Elm Street" and "Scream" blow away....annihilate anything Fulci ever did in horror, in my opinion. Fulci was celebrated for his dark humor. You really think "Scream" can't topple anything Fulci did? You really don't think "Scream" isn't more intelligent? Really?
But please, I know it's been 9 years but school us uneducated bashers as to why Fulci is a true master.

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I know it's been three years... but get over yourself.



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No way! Argento's movies are BORING! "Suspiria", huh?, this is a classic? I don't think so. It's a snoozefest.

Fulci's movies are much gorier and have better storylines.

The only film I saw by Argento I liked was "Demons", but he didn't direct that one anyway.

I have yet to see the collaboration movie "Wax Mask", but will shortly..

-L31

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Honestly, I personally don't think Suspiria is Argento's best...it's the cinematography that really sets it apart though. Personally I think Argento's Opera and Tenebre are the best he made. Fulci is probably my favorite though...he had so many different kinds of films. Giallo's, Gorefests, Absolute Films, Comedy's, Westerns, Barbarian/Fantasy, Futuristic Warriors and even a Mafia style film. Argento did do some western stuff but most of his work has been in the Giallo field.

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Monsterhunter pretty much sums up my feelings on this movie and Lucio Fulci for me here:

http://monsterhunter.coldfusionvideo.com/Beyond.html

If you like gore, and Italian zombie flicks (I consider them a genre unto themselves) you'll like Fulci. Otherwise, steer clear.

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Fulci is a cult hero, you either love him or hate him, there is little in between.

I don't think he's known at all outside the horror community - therefore leaving out people whose opinion doesn't count. i.e. horror fans know what makes good horror, Fulci is popular among horror fans therefore he must make good horror.

When I say horror fans, I am of course excluding those who like such tripe as Resisent Evil or Gothika.

I love him myself (purely platonic naturally) I think he was the master of gore and created an atmosphere of foreboding dread unlike no other.


RIP Fulci

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P.S. Its ok to like other directors' guys!

Fair enough Fulci does something for me and I find his style highly watchable but, I like films from Argento, Romero and Craven too.

Demons, Day of the Dead and Nightmare on Elm St 1 & 2 are just a few examples, most of their work I like - their good directors.

The Church is one of my all time favourites, maybe because it also has a surreal quality similar to The Beyond.

The point is; be more open-minded - no one likes a bigot.

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Ahem...

P.P.S. Craven's early work that is. 'Vampire in Brooklyn' anyone?

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i have to say i also love fulci
his films maybe have bad looking blood in some parts and TERRIBLE dubbing but yet again so do tons of films from the 70's
and sure he does have a gore overload but its a horror movie, you cant go in expecting it to be like an action movie with monsters
and i actually regret telling you guys ths, i actually was frightened by a couple of his movies :P
and i also loved dario aregentos Inferno
im renting Suspiria and The Beyond tonight:)

you got about 1 f uckin second to live buddy- Frank Booth,Blue Velvet

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Overrated by whom? Fulci is a cult director who most fans, even many horror movie fans, have never even heard of. He doesn't enjoy much widespread popularity and he's certainly no critical darling.

For me Fulci is a victim of the "auteur theory" (like Francis Ford Coppola). He made some classic horror movies like "The Beyond", "Zombi", "City of the Dead", and "House by the Cemetery" because, at the time, he was surrounded by the talent and had the means to do so. Later though he alienated a lot of his collaborators (like screenwriter Dardano Sachetti)and was hamstrung by tight-fisted producers and lack of financing and, consequently, he made some unbelievably awful crap like the "autobiographical" "Cat in the Brain". The whole problem with the "auteur theory" is that one man, no matter how talented he may be, can not make a good movie by himself because filmmaking is a collaborative process that requires the coming together of a certain amount of talent, financing, and sheer luck. It's like a recipe--the presence of one ingredient (however tasty) will not necessarily make the whole thing good.

Fulci is also still most famous for his gore scenes, which look less and less impressive every year, when he should be more famous for the more timeless elements of his movies. "The Beyond" should be admired for its incredible atmosphere, its impressive cinematography, and even its off-the-wall, non-linear (and at times, non-sensical) plot. I'm probably in a minority here, but my favorite films of Fulci's are his early gialli which have little or no explicit gore in them ("One on Top of the Other", "A Lizard in Women's Skin", and "Don't Torture a Duckling"--the latter two have been recently released on DVD). Fulci was definitely talented, but that certainly doesn't mean everything he touched turned to gold.

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I also find Fulci very overrated, especially on internet. Almost every horrorsite glorify him and his movies like they were Gods creations.

As for me, his movies gives me very little. They have some decent interesting concepts, but Fulci misses on almost every point. F.ex, the music he puts in his movies doesn`t fit in and mostly ruin the feeling completly. His movies also suffer of boring moments, uninteresting characters and oftenly bad production.

The movie I like best is Zombie, which is an OK film, but it has its downbearing moments...

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Just because I don`t think Fulci is the greatest director in the whole wide world, does`nt mean that all fun of watching horror movies are gone. I like a lot of cheesy horror movies like Basket Case, The Stuff, Toxic Avenger... The list goes on and on.

The quicker you guys accept that not every horrorfan in the world think Fulci is THAT great, the quicker you`ll understand why. And its not because I don`t understand them, because I do. I just don`t like his style, or the way he make his movies. As a matter of fact, his movies bores me. I understand why some people likes his movies, and I`ll respect them for that. I just wish it was mutual when it comes to guys like me who does`nt like them.

I don`t mean to be an a-hole, but i`m just tired of those quasi-intellectuell Fulci fans who try to bash and represent us non-Fulci fans as ignorant and un-intelligent people who don`t understand the point of movies.

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I own many Fulci films and I have to kinda agree that he is "overrated", but I find that word not to be the best. In the horror realm, many speak about him like he is a god like director and I frankly have to disagree. I really liked Zombie, and I also liked The Beyond, but that's about it. Every other Fulci film I've seen has been a mess. Gates of Hell was decent, but very sloppy. HOuse by the Cemetary was also decent. I also own Conquest, Demonia, House of Clocks, Zombi 3, and The Black Cat which are terrible. Fulci has some decent films under his belt, but overall a majority of his films are terrible. I would never catorgorize him as a horror director god in the vein of George Romero or John Carpenter.

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Maybe Fulci had an important influences, but that does`nt really matter. If you like his movies, you like his movies. You don`t like his movies, you don`t like his movies. So simple is that. But I still find him very overrated, because there are many more and much, much better horrormovies that came out at that time that stands in the shadow of his movies, but again, its my opinion.

I think most of all Italian movies has this same a-typical style repeated over and over, which makes them very boring. There are exceptions, but mostly of them just does`nt make my evening.

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IMO, if you wanna see a good gore flick by Fulci, go see "The Gates of Hell", I find that one more interesting then "The Beyond". I love both movies though, but "The Gates of Hell" just has some of the best gore scenes ever in it. I love how the zombies snatched the brain right out of the back of your head, or when the girl vomits her insides, or when the retard gets that 2' drill bit in the side of the head. By the way, Fulci is a great director, but De Rossi is the real master(other then Savini) when it comes to gore, not just the director.

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Totally agree and I respect you enjoy Fulci's films. I don't, but I do like Craven and some Argento. I also appreciate you not taking a position of superiority just because some people do not like Fulci.

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